Posted on 07/22/2009 8:30:14 PM PDT by RobinMasters
The announcements of Barack Obama's birth printed by two Hawaii newspapers in 1961 do not provide solid proof of a birth in the Aloha State because of uncertainties over the policies and procedures that apparently were being used at the time.
The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, for example, according to its website, now reprints birth information it receives from Hawaii's Department of Health.
"We don't have an editor who handles birth and marriage announcements; we print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System," a Star-Bulletin newsroom operator explained to WND.
The operator said, "This is how we've always done it."
The newspaper's "proof" of birth, therefore, could be based on a state-issued "Certification of Live Birth" which, as WND has reported is insufficient alone, even for some State Department officials, to document the birthplace.
Many people remain unaware a child does not even have to be born in Hawaii to receive a Certification of Live Birth, the very "evidence" the White House has cited in defending its assertion Obama was born in Hawaii.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
My long form B.C. is stamped "DELAY".
Every bit of information on this "factcheck" example could be printed from my delayed registration -- and my parents and the "attendant" (at my birth) could have been lying.
I was not born in a hospital.
Fake.
Do you know why the cert number is different as far as issue date in this sample vs the supposed real one for zer0
The fact is, the ANNENBERG Public Policy Center (APPC), the sponsoring agency behind FactCheck.org, is itself supported by the same foundation, the
ANNENBERG FOUNDATION, that Bill Ayers secured the 49.2 million dollars from to create the Chicago ANNENBERG Challenge “philanthropic”
organization in which Barack Obama was the founding Chairman of the Board for and Ayers served as the grant writer of and co-Chair of for its two operating arms.
Sorry -- but I think their objectivity is a bit tainted ... let's look at some other sites though ...
Let's go check out what FightTheSmears.com says:
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
Oh wait, it's been REMOVED from the Internet, as has its backup from Archive.org ...
Well, let's go check out another of my favorite websites, My.BarackObama.com:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert/
Oh wait, that page has been REMOVED from the Internet, too ...
I was wondering why the date code in the cert # is different then the one in post 123
Honolulu is not a county !The city of Honolulu is in Oahu county
In your post you say they lived in Ponca City? I am from Oklahoma and I had not heard this but stil have friends there.
Did you mean another city?
Where does it say Honolulu County?
On the COLB.
Do you know why the cert number is different as far as issue date in this sample vs the supposed real one for zer0
I as adopted at the age of seven, I carry my Dad's name and he is shown on my birth certificate. The information about includes where he was living, working, race, etc.
The original BC of Obama is locked and has been replaced with a new BC that establishes parentage, race and personage.
If Barry was adopted by Lolo, we would need to establish when Barry came back to the US, Under what passport and visa, when he changed his last name back to Obama(I have looked into this and it is a very arduous process. However, you can NEVER change the information on your birth certificate, ever).
We would need to know if he is still a foreign national or when that status ended and what the process was for that. What were the supporting documents to establish USA citizenship, etc.
See more here:
And here:Stanley Dunham was 30 years old in 1948 when he was living in Ponca City working as a salesman at Jay Paris Furniture. Before coming to Ponca City, Obama's grandfather Stanley Dunham had been in the army, volunteering the day after Pearl Harbor and spending the war overseas as an infantryman attached to Patton's tank corps. While Stanley was fighting in Europe, his wife Madelyn Dunham worked on a Boeing B-29 assembly line in Wichita as a quality control inspector.
One man who knew Stanley Dunham well and recognized Stanley's photo as soon as he saw it was former Ponca City resident Bob Casey who worked with Stanley Dunham at Jay Paris' Furniture Store in Ponca City in the early 1950's. Mr. Casey says that Stanley arrived in Ponca City in 1949 and stayed in Ponca City with his family for "more than a year." Mr. Casey says Stanley was a very smart guy with a long face and large shoulders who knew a lot about the furniture business and was one of Jay Paris' top salesmen at a time when the furniture company probably had 6 or 7 salesman.
Mr. Casey, now living in Cranes Mill Texas, says that Stanley knew the technology of furniture, could analyze customers, and was one of the first salesmen to sell furniture as a full concept instead of by the item. "He could sell you a room full of furniture," says Casey. "And he could help you decorate it." Mr. Casey remembers a trip to Wichita with Stanley where they attended one of the first decorating seminars in the area. "Stanley was always working to improve himself" said Mr. Casey adding jokingly that Stanley "was a smart guy who liked to tell you how smart he was." Mr. Casey says he and Stanley Dunham used to joke around together and Stanley once made a bet that Casey couldn't do a specified number of push-ups. "I did the push-ups and surprised Stanley," says Mr. Casey.
Mr. Casey doesn't know exactly when Stanley Dunham and his family left Ponca City because shortly thereafter Mr. Casey went away to attend college at Oklahoma State University. Mr. Casey added that although he knew Stanley Dunham well, he never met Stanley's wife or daughter. "In those days the employees at Jay Paris' didn't really socialize much outside the job."
Longtime Ponca City resident Pat Moore also remembers Stanley Dunham and remembers that the Dunham family lived in an apartment in Ponca City. Beverly Bryant reported in the Ponca City News that the Dunham family lived in homes on West Central and later on North 13th street while they were in Ponca City. Moore remembers that Stanley Dunham was in Ponca City when she and her husband got married in 1950 and remembers that Stanley had a good sense of humor because even after almost 60 years Moore can still remember a funny story with some humorous marital advice that Stanley gave Moore in 1950 before Moore and her husband got married.
Stanley Dunham and his wife Madelyn helped raise their grandson Barack Obama during his high school years, when his mother was living in Indonesia. Barack Obama loved his grandfather who died in 1992 at age 74. In 2008 Obama visited Punchbowl National Cemetery in Hawaii, to pay homage to his grandfather Stanley Dunham.
Life in Ponca Cityhttp://www.researchandideas.com/index.php?title=Stanley_Ann_Dunham
Barack Obama's grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was 26 years old in 1948 when she arrived in Ponca City. Ponca City was a thriving community in the late 1940's when Stanley Dunham and his family arrived in Ponca City. Ponca City was the headquarters for Continental Oil Company (Conoco) and had a huge refinery at Ponca City employing thousands. It is not yet known if Madelyn Dunham worked outside the home but it is documented that in other places she lived like Wichita, Seattle, and Honolulu, Madelyn worked outside the house so it is very possible that with her daughter Stanley Ann in school, Madelyn Dunham had a job outside the house while she was living in Ponca City. If Madelyn Dunham did have a job while her husband worked at Jay Paris Furniture and her daughter attended elementary school, no one has yet come forward who knew her or remembered her working outside the house. Madelyn Dunham had strong administrative skills as evidenced by her work during the war when she worked as a quality control inspector for an assembly line building B-29's in Wichita.
Here is what we can conjecture about Madelyn Dunham's employment in Ponca City. Later on in her life Madelyn Dunham worked as an escrow officer at a bank and was later vice-president of a bank in Washington State, so if she worked outside the home while she was living in Ponca City, it is possible that she may have been at a bank. Banks that were open in Ponca City at that time would include the First National Bank, the First Security Bank, and Ponca City Savings and Loan, so we conjecture that with her daughter in school, Madelyn Dunham may have worked at one of these banks.
Some say it is possible that with her experience as a quality control inspector during the war, she may have found work at Continental Oil Company or Cities Service while she lived in Ponca City. Others say that as a woman without a college education in the late 1940's, many doors were closed to her that might be open today. Anyone who may have known or worked with Madelyn Dunham in the late 1940's or early 1950's at any of these locations, please contact us at 580-765-6125 so we can update this story.
Honolulu is a city and county (it is also the capital of Hawaii)..like The city of San Diego, County of San Diego..sorry...
What I want to know is why the few BC’s from Hawaii I have seen alway start their file number with “151”?
I'm just curious why because I don't recall ever seeing this addressed here.
It's a fairly obvious difference but don't know the answer....just wondering
Bacardi? Seriously, looking at the pic in #134, if you look at the Island of birth, time of birth, the lettering is not in line with the angle of the paper.
May be it's me but it looks Photoshopped on the certificate.
And his father would be very “African” in complexion and on the island of Hawaii, People who were “African” were numerous and running rampant.
They had jobs as taxi drivers, owned major businesses and the community always looked to them as model citizens, in 1961. /s(just a little)
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