Posted on 07/22/2009 6:20:00 PM PDT by pissant
EDITOR’S NOTE: Please read these claims very carefully and then do the research yourself – try to find these documents on the Internet. You may also want to search for similar documents from former presidents just to make the comparison.
MSNBC’s Chris Matthews got into a heated exchange with a congressman on his show Tuesday as he revisited the question of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate — or lack of one.
Rep. John Campbell, R-Calif., is a co-sponsor of the so-called “birther bill,” which would require future presidential candidates to provide a copy of their original birth certificates.
“Birthers” are those who believe Obama is not qualified to be president based on a belief that he was not born in the United States.
Campbell is not a “birther” and has never claimed that Obama was born outside the United States or should be disqualified from being president.
On the show, Matthews seemingly undermined Campbell’s claims by producing what Matthews said was a copy of Obama’s birth certificate.
But Matthews made a false claim. Obama has never released his actual birth certificate. He has released another document, often provided by state authorities in lieu of a birth certificate, called a certificate of live birth.
Matthews on Tuesday said Campbell was “playing to the crazies” by supporting the “crazy” bill, and the congressman shot back that it was all about “putting the matter to rest.”
Matthews also accused Campbell of “feeding the wacko wing of your party,” and held up what he called a copy of the supposed Obama birth certificate.
Case closed?
The indisputable fact is that Obama has not released his birth certificate, which the state of Hawaii issues for all citizens born there.
Instead, his campaign has only released his certificate of live birth from the state of Hawaii, which is a document that offers a summarized version of the birth certificate.
During the 2008 presidential campaign, GOP nominee Sen. John McCain quickly released his birth certificate when liberal bloggers raised questions about his eligibility to be president. McCain was born at a military hospital in Panama.
Obama could likewise put the matter to rest by releasing his actual birth certificate, which would show, among other things, the place of his birth and the doctor who performed the birth procedure. This information is not provided in the certificate of live birth.
As it stands, Obama is the only president in history the public doesn’t know actually the place where he was born – a fact that would be stated on the actual birth certificate. Interestingly, his family has mentioned two different hospitals in Hawaii as to the place of birth.
The fact that Obama has refused to release his actual birth certificate does not mean conspiracy theorists are right when they claim he was born in Kenya and therefore not eligible to be president. Investigators who have reviewed the claims have found no evidence Obama was born outside of Hawaii.
But Obama’s refusal to release his birth certificate does mean that Obama remains one of America’s most mysterious and opaque presidents ever.
Obama, for example, has not released many other documents regarding his public and private life.
Many of these documents were sought by reporters, who easily acquiesced when Obama said he would release them – though most presidential candidates release them as a perfunctory matter.
Among the key documents that continue to be shielded from the public by Obama:
# Obama released just one brief document detailing his personal health. McCain, on the other hand, released what he said was his complete medical file, totaling more than 1,500 pages.
# Obama refused to offer his official papers as a state legislator in Illinois. Nor did he produce correspondence, such as his schedules of appointments or letters from lobbyists, from his days in the Illinois state Senate.
# Obama did not release his client list as an attorney or his billing records. He maintained that he performed only a few hours of legal work for a nonprofit organization with ties to Tony Rezko, the Chicago businessman convicted of fraud in June 2008, but did not release billing records that would prove this assertion.
# Obama ignored requests for his records from Occidental College, where he studied for two years before transferring to Columbia University.
# Obama’s campaign refused to give Columbia, where he earned an undergraduate degree in political science, permission to release his transcripts. Former President George W. Bush and presidential contenders Al Gore and John Kerry all released their college transcripts.
# Obama did not agree to the release of his application to the Illinois State Bar, which would have cleared up intermittent allegations that his application may have been inaccurate.
# Obama did not release records from his time at Harvard Law School.
During the presidential campaign, McCain’s campaign released the full list of all online donors. Obama’s campaign still has not released the names of those who donated at least one-third of the $750 million he raised.
Ironically, Obama during the campaign accused the Bush White House of being “one of the most secretive administrations in our history,” and chided then-Sen. Hillary Clinton for not releasing her White House schedules.
Chris Matthews, get your facts straight and demand full disclosure – that’s the best way to keep an honest government.
Just out of curiosity, if the Birther Bill goes through, would Obama be forced to present his long form birth certificate upon running for reelection?
Pissant,
Your on fire today. Great work.
yup
All that should have figured into Obama’s electability, at least that’s what one would expect. However, it didn’t have enough of an effect to overcome the ones who were determined to vote for him. He gained about 10 million more votes than our side did, and thus won.
So, I’m not sure how much weight this kind of stuff is going to have now, since it didn’t help the election in the Fall...
Didn’t Kerry release his transcripts after the election? And aren’t there transcripts from when Gore was in grad school (seminary) which were never released?
Then don’t waste your time with it.
That’s kind of hard to do, since these threads pop up here with regularity... LOL...
Besides, it’s the perfect opportunity to show what a good news website WorldNetDaily is... :-)
Every time I see the birth certificate issue, I’ve got to pump up WorldNetDaily, since they are on this issue *all the time*...
If you want to go to a legitimate news source that has been on the Obama birth certificate issue for a long time now and does so *consistently* — go to WorldNetDaily...
WorldNetDaily
http://www.wnd.com/
They even pay to have billboards put up around the United States asking “Where is the Birth Certificate?”... I don’t know of any other news source anywhere that has paid to put up these kinds of billboards all over the country.
If you’re interested in the Obama Birth Certificate issue, you’ll find a lot of older articles from them on it, and they always have new articles coming up all the time. They are always hammering away at this issue and it’s a new source that is well worth supporting by going and clicking on their links.
Keep up on the birth certificate issue on WorldNetDaily...
[... I love WorldNetDaily, as they’re a fine news website... :-) ...]
We never saw Obama’s college records. That’s something I am interested in seeing. It is all connected, Obama claims he is so damn smart yet he won’t release his Columbia school records, because, my theory is, it shows his birth place as Kenya
Is there any editorial curiosity as to how a Presidential candidate can have nearly his entire past either officially sealed or erased? Both his Illinois State Senate seat opponent (Blair Hull) and his Federal Senate seat opponent (Jack Ryan) had their detailed divorce records dumped into the campaign mix - what was Barry's role in those dumps? Just these issues, alone, would make a good story line.
It's not just the long-form BC - there is plenty more.
The ‘hidden long form’ saga, forged Hawaiian 'short form' on the candidate's official website, adoption info leading to dual-citizenship and declaration at age 18 (or 21) for American citizenship, college records gone, college finance records gone, college application gone (Obama or Soetoro?), selective service records - dubious at best, travel documents questionable at best (passport used for travel during his college years), application for the Illinois Bar (dba's and aka's) arguably falsified, his entire Illinois State Senate records obscured, peripheral relationships regarding the unsolved murder of the TUCC choir director, probable drug abuse in the last 10 years, etc.
This needs to be taken on by a well-known, objective, and authoritative entity - not to discredit WND or decent and well-meaning bloggers.
The reset button needs to be built, tested, and PUSHED!
Obama will release all his records right after John Kerry releases his military records..oh the media forgot about that one too?
This is why the birth certificate is so important. Once that gets opened up there will be a clamor to open up the other records mentioned in the article. Especially if there is something unsettling on the birth certificate such as Obama being born a bastard
Any objective observer would wonder why the MSM did more investigation on Joe the Plumber in 24 hours than they did of Baraq in 24 months.
I could be wrong though.
As I recall, Kerry did two things. One, he release an edited version of his records, i.e. he showed us the parts he wanted us to see, and two, he signed a limited Form 180, which gave one person (his biographer or something like that) access to his records. But as far as a signed blanket release of his records, the answer is a simple "no".
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