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This birther nonsense becoming a big problem for the GOP (ROFL)
Atlanta Journal Constipation ^
| 7/21/09
| Jay Bookman
Posted on 07/21/2009 10:07:33 AM PDT by pissant
Heres Mike Castle, a Republican congressman from Delaware, trying to deal with the birther nonsense at a town hall meeting back on June 30. It really gets a little spooky when the woman hijacks the meeting with an impromptu demand for the Pledge of Allegiance. Its hard to imagine a more vivid example of how easily false patriotism can trump reason and common sense.
Apparently, CNNs Lou Dobbs always on the lookout these days for a fringe issue to ride is also jumping on the bandwagon.
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ROFL. More like a big problem for the State Run Media, Jay. You are being FORCED to actually cover the story and you don't have the 1st clue about the issues involved.
Even more a problem for your 1/2 black, 1/2 baked, faux president. We are going to rip his birth records from his cold, marxist fingers.
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posted on
07/21/2009 10:07:33 AM PDT
by
pissant
To: pissant
Why is it a problem for the GOP? We have our birth certificates.
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posted on
07/21/2009 10:09:41 AM PDT
by
y6162
(uish..)
To: pissant
Now I know there is some traction. When the state-run media try to invert the truth and blame Republicans for issues that impact them, then I know we are very near over the bombing target.
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posted on
07/21/2009 10:10:31 AM PDT
by
Obadiah
(Obama: Chains you can believe in!)
To: pissant
The comments on the site are pretty funny, too.
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posted on
07/21/2009 10:12:51 AM PDT
by
La Lydia
To: y6162
Why is it a problem for the GOP? We have our birth certificates. I'd have to dig around for mine but could probably find it within an hour. How many hours has zero had?
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posted on
07/21/2009 10:12:56 AM PDT
by
Graybeard58
( Selah.)
To: pissant
The author is correct.
Birther alert!
To: pissant
My Pastor always says that “When you throw a rock at a pack of dogs the one that yelps is the one that got hit.”
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posted on
07/21/2009 10:14:37 AM PDT
by
mkcc30
(Their lying tongues will become their nooses.)
Comment #8 Removed by Moderator
To: pissant
Hey Jay, why don’t you just ask your messiah to produce an authenticated birth certificate and the issue will go away, right?
What are you afraid of, Jay? Your boy might not measure up after all?
To: F15Eagle
A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.
The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.
Listen to the
recording here
The quote is around 12:35, so if you dont have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:
Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born
Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive
Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there
Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.
Here is an
abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.
It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --youll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.
First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.
Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.
He used the same technique on the question of Obamas birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."
Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.
Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.
Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference.
Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..
They are the same.
Subsequently, the
Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:
"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."
However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a
Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.
"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."
While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is
a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in Kenya but rather that he is a "son of this village". However,
witnesses insist that she said she was present at obama's birth in Kenya. If taken alone, perhaps she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.
Again here is a
pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:
HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA
Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.
(Applause)
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.
Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.
In July 2009 a Ghanian newspapersays of Obama that ""For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American president on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth," The American Thinker explains
here why Obama's
short form released by fightthesmears is not sufficient for Hawaii. There is evidence to suggest that the home named in the newspaper archived article as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by a couple not Obama's parents. Even the
Honalulu Advertiser has a different address of record for Obama's father than the one listed newspaper birth listing. The
hospital where Obama claims he was born--refuses to either confirm or deny that he was in fact born there--and that despite the fact that
Obama has said he was born there in
writing--and presented the hospital a memo to that effect...right after he was elected. What's more
newspaper accounts of his birth place him in other hospitals around Hawaii. None of these will comment either.
Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.
The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has
paid his lawyers over 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Why bother. The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)
Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that. Here's a
footnoted timeline of obama's life 1961-2008. Its especially helpful to look at 1961 and 2008. Of interest is this:
Interesting timeline with footnotes of obama's life.
of note
On April 10, 2008 Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduces Senate Resolution S. Res. 511 to recognize that John Sidney McCain is a natural born citizen. The resolution is allegedly meant to clarify that McCain is eligible to be President even though he was born in Panama. Because McCains parents were both Americans and he was born in Panama because his father was stationed there while in the military, existing law already covers McCain and he is eligible to be President. McCaskills resolution thus serves no purpose except that language is included to try and provide a blanket cover for other foreign born candidates without military backgrounds, in order to enable Obama to be eligible to be President. This is the language that Obama inserted Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain [The language is inserted by Obama.][301,303]
301# http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/#more-3844
303 # http://watchdog.net/b/us/110/sr511
Obama's Senate efforts to airbrush his past were augmented by his top Intelligence Advisor in March 2008.
Obama's Intelligence Adviser Involved in Security Breach. Obamas top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, heads a firm that was cited in March [2008] for breaching sensitive files in the State Departments passport office, according to a State Department Inspector Generals report released this past July. The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennans firm, The Analysis Corp., which has earned millions of dollars providing intelligence-related consulting services to federal agencies and private companies. During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation. Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to cauterize the records of potentially embarrassing information. In this
video of Obama's reaction to the break in...he says twice that his reason for being concerned about the matter is not that he is concerned about what the records may reveal about himself...but rather etc. One denial is ok. Two denials in short order is of a piece with the other anomolies in his record.
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posted on
07/21/2009 10:17:26 AM PDT
by
ckilmer
(Phi)
To: EveningStar
Here is
Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"
Here in plain English is the
Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.
Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982
from obama's own site
factcheck.org(this is cached as the original was taken down) by way of fightthesmears
on his dual citizenship at birth
When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdoms dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.(Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually. Ah here is the
cached version.) Here is a better
cached versionHere's a
thi rd Kindly cache these too.
Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have
recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See
wikipe dia 2.4.3Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage. As to the famous newsclipping in Hawaii that states that bama was born there in 1961--
there is evidence to suggest that the house named as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by someone else besides his parents. Once again, Just one piece of evidence could easily be dismissed. It is the accumulation of evidence that is troubling.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser,
Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?
A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has
paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that
according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Obama is going to Africa. Will he visit Kenya?
Nope. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?
The thing has become a joke in washington.
Joe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.
After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "
From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.
Les Kinsolving asked the Presidential Press Secretary Gibbs to release the long form birth certificate. The press secretary suggested mockingly that the copy of the short form birth certificate supplied online is Obama's long form birth certificate.
Not so.(However, as of july 2009--eight months after the election--
Hawaii changed their rules so as to make the short form legal.There is even
evidence to suggest the online "certification of live birth"--ie not a birth certificate--obama presented... was a forgery. See the press conference
out take here.
The
White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts.
Rush Limbaugh joked several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."
Even
the liberal LA Times on June 30, 2009 in an article dripping with contempt--conceded that the thing Obama's people posted online was "technically... not a birth certificate".
A
bill in the US congress with five backers currently -- calls for future presidential candidates to be required to show a birth certificate. The
library of congress has recently started including the Obama File in its historic collections of Internet materials related to the Presidential Transition during a Time of Crises.
The Obama File holds that Obama's birth certificate as presented online is bogus.
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posted on
07/21/2009 10:18:12 AM PDT
by
ckilmer
(Phi)
To: pissant
Isn’t the Atlanta Journal close to going under. No wonder these papers are almost dead. the sooner the better. We need to work on CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNBC and any other lib TV networks.
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posted on
07/21/2009 10:18:44 AM PDT
by
Frantzie
(Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
To: Graybeard58
I heard o’s been looking for 46 or 47 years for the thing.Maybe it will finally show up.
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posted on
07/21/2009 10:21:45 AM PDT
by
taxtruth
To: pissant
FALSE PATRIOTISM!!!!
Lick my sac*, MSM.
WE, here, are the the ones we’ve been waiting and longing for.
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posted on
07/21/2009 10:21:55 AM PDT
by
lefty-lie-spy
(Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
To: pissant
But the left has no problems with “prosecuting” Bush, Cheney and Rice for “war crimes” against “freedom fighters” ...
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posted on
07/21/2009 10:22:10 AM PDT
by
Dallas59
("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
To: pissant
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posted on
07/21/2009 10:22:41 AM PDT
by
exist
To: EveningStar
With any luck, the dumbsh*t rinos that are afraid to expose Obama will leave the GOP.
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posted on
07/21/2009 10:22:46 AM PDT
by
pissant
(THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
To: pissant
Birthers are whacked-out kooks, but 9/11 Truthers are sane people who only want to know how deeply involved was President Bush in the attacks on the WTC. Makes perfect sense to me.
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posted on
07/21/2009 10:23:15 AM PDT
by
ChocChipCookie
(Survival is a Mom's Job! Check out my blog: www.thesurvivalmom.com)
To: pissant
I seem to remember the Democrats going after McCain over being foreign born. Who doesn't think the looney Left would be conducting exactly the same movement if McCain hadn't lost?
I'm sure Jay would be writing pieces about how "important the issue" was and the "rule of law" if the White House contained a Republican.
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posted on
07/21/2009 10:23:32 AM PDT
by
Deb
(Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
To: pissant
Where’s The Birth Certificate billboard up in Los Angeles on I5. Check it out.
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