Posted on 07/20/2009 7:40:35 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta
flurry of articles on news sites. Google News - Obama Constitutionally Eligible?
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Why don’t we take out a whole page ad in the NYT and Washington Post to run on 9-12 the day of the tea party asking for Obama to produce his Birth Certificate!.
Let’s tke this to the Liberal Media on 9-12. I will give my share.
If he gets really unpopular I bet his fellow rats would pretend they never knew him. Those falling poll numbers are toxic to rats.
It can’t happen soon enough.
I just got 1.5 million on the nose.
No, I don’t think he’d succeed either but the will be a lot of frothing at the mouth. I think the key element will be the refusal of military officers to take orders from him. And I really don’t think ObaMao’s crowd ever considered that very real possibility. A very large pile will fly into a very powerful fan and, I think, soon.
Lets have a little look at title 8, 1405 shall we? I do not see the term "natural born citizen" written anywhere in the text. It's of no use for Obama.
"§ 1405. Persons born in Hawaii A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.
Try again.
“In a related story, Senator Lindsey Graham is denying he’s a lesbian.”
Hilarious! and probably right on point.
parsy, who is remembering Roseanne Roseannadanna
I don't think blackmail is the problem here. Remember that $800 million in campaign donations that Hussein supposedly got via $5 & $10 donations? And thus claimed he couldn't/didn't have to report the donors?
Everyone knows that's hogwash [I like that, Muslim Barry and "hog"wash].
Some very big money came from some very powerful people. And they didn't donate it. They bought influence....and a lot of it. My gut feeling is that Barry may not even realize it yet, but he is owned by these people and is soon to discover he's not really in charge.
I think we need to be very concerned with the tactics Soros and the like are going to use through their surrogate [Barry]. These people powerful and ruthless, they eat community organizers for snacks. I think some of them would be very pleased to crash the dollar, and that may be what is behind the printing of all the funny money.
Wasn't BO's wife quoted as saying something like "We're not going to let a little thing like an adoption stand in the way of his candidacy for the Presidency"?
'CNN announced' that's two strikes against right there.
Furthermore, there's evidence to discount if Dunham and Obama ever lived at the address in the announcements. The people who live at the address were named Laforge in 1961, and a long resident neighbor said he doesn't remember a mixed raced couple and baby ever lived at the address, or anyone else for that matter, according to a private investigator.
Yep, Indonesian is another citizenship;
Was young Obama Indonesian citizen?
Document, travel suggest ‘Barry Soetero’ member of world’s largest Muslim country
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=72656
Obama’s American mother, Ann Dunham, separated from her first husband, Barack Obama Sr., in 1963 when the presidential candidate was two years old. Dunham and Obama Sr. are reported to have later divorced. Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian, and moved to Indonesia sometime between 1966 and 1967.
It was not clear whether Soetoro adopted Obama, either in Hawaii or in Indonesia, but there is strong circumstantial evidence that he did as far as Indonesian law was concerned.
In Indonesia, which was under tight rule in 1967, Obama clearly took on the last name of his stepfather in school registration documents. All Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards, or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, which needed to bear the student’s legal name, which should be matched in public school registration filings.
Following his enrollment at the private Assisi school, Obama attended public schooling in Indonesia until he returned to Hawaii at age 10. According to Indonesian legal experts, it was difficult to enroll non-Indonesian citizens in public schooling.
Obama arrived in Indonesia at about the age of five according to most accounts, although it was possible he arrived at the age of six, according to a few sources. If Lolo Soetoro adopted Obama at age five or younger, then Obama would automatically have become an Indonesian citizen according to the country’s laws in the 1960’s, which stipulated any child aged five or younger adopted by an Indonesian father is immediately granted Indonesian citizenship upon completion of the adoption process.
Lolo Soetoro could have adopted Obama in Hawaii, although such an adoption would not have necessarily been recognized by Indonesia.
Indonesian law at the time also did not recognize dual citizenship, meaning if Obama became Indonesian, then as far as that country was concerned, his U.S. citizenship was no longer recognized by Indonesia. But U.S. law would still recognize Obama as an American citizen.
I was adopted. A child of ours is adopted. I worked in a county clerk’s office and registered births, and worked on parental relinquishment/adoption cases through CPS, and I do family genealogy.
That said, here’s my two cents. Hussein claims he was legally adopted by Soetoro. That means papa Obama relinquished his parental rights. When an adoption order comes into the clerk’s office, all mention of the biological parent is deleted from the records and the adoptive parent’s name replaces it. In other words, any real BC would have Soetoro as the father, NOT Obama.
Rush Limbaugh complained today that New York’s taxing authority is demanding he prove he wasn’t in NY for more than 15 days last year, but Obama doesn’t have to produce his birth certificate.
Correct.
All indications are that Barack Hussein Obama, love him or hate him, never was, is not now, and can never be a “natural born citizen”.
To be natural born, BOTH parents must be American citizens, and the birth must occur on American soil.
Even the Senate realized that when they passed a resolution (moot) that McCain was eligible. Both his parents WERE citizens, but he was born near the Panama canal because his parents were active duty US military at the time.
Obama’s father was never an American citizen, and Obama was not born on American soil.
We have no De Jure American president now.
End of story.
The flurry of news reports is because the Obots are starting to understand it. Light bulb moment...
Suppose you were a judge and this case came before you. Suppose further that it was in some way communicated to you that to even hear the case might cause grievous harm to you wife or children, to rule against Hussein might get your child's fingers sent to you in the mail.
What would you do?
There are too many very, very bad people with a lot invested in this man. I don't think there are any judges out there that want to be anywhere near this mess. Even ones that believe in the law and Constitution aren't going to be willing to get involved.
So barry was spawned.
Another REAL problem for Obama is his multiple citizenships.
The Founders specified “natural born” citizenship as a requirement for the Presidency. An individual with prior, or concurrent, citizenship in another country has divided loyalties.
According to what scant public records we have, Obama/Soetoro has apparently been a citizen of Britain (before Kenyan independence), Kenya, Indonesia, and possibly the U.S.
I would say the ‘citizen of the United States at birth” would probably be argued to mean ‘natural born’. He was born on US soil, and is a US citizen from the moment of birth.
Now don’t get me wrong, I would certainly love to see something that knocks this out of the park, but between Title 8 1401 and Title 8 1405 these would be interpreted by the SCOTUS to determine if he was natural born or not, both sides would be claiming opposite answers.
TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401Prev | Next § 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.
Both Title 8 1401 and 1405 cover natural born citizens. The first line in 1401 is addressing the fact that if you are born on US soil you are a natural born citizen. If you don’t think it does this area of law is the only one in the US Code that talks about who is a citizen and who isn’t, it’s where I (a natural born citizen) know that I am one because I point to the first line of this title, and have my answer. I can point to nowhere else in the US Code and find ‘natural born citizen’ defined in any other way.
This line of logic will only win if he wasn’t born in Hawaii and it can be proven. Right now it cannot be proven. we need to see the original long form COLB. The bigger argument for us now is the fact he was adopted by an Indonesian man back when Indonesia did not recognize dual citizenship, and to go to Indonesian schools Barack had to be Indonesian, which would mean he gave up his US citizenship, therefore making him ineligible for the US presidency.
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