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Despite U.S. House Vote, Future of Wild Horses Still Uncertain (700 Million for Horses)
whsv ^ | Today

Posted on 07/18/2009 10:09:47 AM PDT by jessduntno

The outlook may still be grim for thousands of wild horses and burros, despite a rescue measure passed Friday by the House. It would give the wild animals millions more acres to roam, and spare them from the possibility of slaughter.

But there's no similar bill in the Senate and that doesn't bode well for final passage.

There are an estimated 36,000 wild horses and burros in ten Western states. Federal officials believe that's about 9,400 more than can exist in balance with other rangeland resources. More than 31,000 others are being cared for in corrals and pastures.

The Interior Department announced last year it might have to kill thousands of healthy wild horses and burros to deal with the growing population, a move that WV Congressman Nick Rahall strongly opposed.

During House debate, Republicans dismissed the rescue measure as welfare for horses, at a time when people are in need. One GOP lawmaker says the effort to save the horses is based on "emotion and not science."

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To: Himyar

thank you for that

Been riding a TN walker lately and have found them to be really a nice ride and something I wouldn’t mind getting.
A neighbor has two quarter horses and thinks they’re the best all round horse?

if you have time what is your opinion please?>


41 posted on 07/18/2009 11:48:28 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman , nothing else-- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: jazusamo

A great deal of info on the subject and very kind of you to spend the time giving it.
I’ll be going through it today.

thank you


42 posted on 07/18/2009 11:51:01 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman , nothing else-- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: manc

You’re most welcome.


43 posted on 07/18/2009 11:54:01 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: allmost

The situation with the wild horses began in the 70’s. Locals would round up the horses, keep the ones they thought would make good horses, ranchers would do the same and those that they didn’t want they sent to the sale barn for extra income. Bleeding heart people found out that some of the horses sold ended up at slaughter houses and started a campaign for the government to save the wild horses.

The government began rounding up wild horses, adopting out the ones people wanted and placing the excess- thousands of them at this point- in feedlots and taxpayers pay for their upkeep.

A couple of points people need to understand- the horses cannot be left where they are in the wild- the range will only support so many and some of the land they range on is privately owned ranches and the rancher needs the grass for his own livestock. A few are left on the range, determined by where they are and how many the range can support. Also many of the wild horses are inbred and have defects that make them not usable/not adoptable. Some have injures that also keep them from being adopted and some are just- well ugly enough that no one wants them. There are not enough people who want to adopt them to take care of those that are adoptable.

This is an example of a program that was demanded by bleeding hearts without thinking it through. Something has to be done with the numbers of horses that don’t get adopted for one reason or another. The solution to this point has been for the taxpayers to care for them until they die of old age.

This is an ongoing boondoggle from the 1970s that still has no good solution. The way things were done before the bleeding hearts got the government involved was working out well for everyone and cost the taxpayers nothing.


44 posted on 07/18/2009 11:55:45 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support & pray for our Troops; they serve us every day. Veterans are heroes not terrorists!)
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To: jazusamo
I remember that legislation.

What is the best way to handle this you think?
45 posted on 07/18/2009 11:55:47 AM PDT by allmost
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To: Tammy8

Reduce the numbers and the “scientists” lose their pet projects. Liberal growth pattern.


46 posted on 07/18/2009 12:00:28 PM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost

My personal opinion is that their numbers be curtailed drastically and the range land leased for raising cattle. Wild horses are not good for anything other than eating grass and viewing by enviros that go ooh and ah.

Slaughterhouses should be reopened and the meat be allowed to be shipped to Europe. Those slaughterhouses were not only for wild horses but for all horses. It wouldn’t be a large industry but it would be a money making business for several of them and it would be a way to get rid of excess horses.


47 posted on 07/18/2009 12:07:28 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Tammy8

“This is an example of a program that was demanded by bleeding hearts without thinking it through.”

Sounds familiar...how is the healthcare bill doing?


48 posted on 07/18/2009 12:15:00 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: jazusamo

The aberrant horse population needs to be lowered. The laws I read disallowed live horses to be shipped across the border. Corral and starve them? The sickest and most inhumane of all options thus far.


49 posted on 07/18/2009 12:16:08 PM PDT by allmost
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To: jazusamo
These aren't really "wild horses". In fact, about 4,000 years ago your typical captive horse, or even a wild one, wasn't big enough to carry a rider.

At some point the ancients began controlled breeding to get larger horses. Finally, they developed horses that could carry a rider, saddle and a small load. No longer were warriors limited to horseteams and chariots.

For all practical purposes these are DOMESTICTED LIVESTOCK, and they should be dealt with the same way we handle cattle, sheep, goats, chickens and turkeys.

If the "wild horse" fans can come up with some authentic but "small" wild horses, I suppose they could be turned loose and we could pretend they were really "wild" animals, but any horse big enough for a man to ride is not a "wild horse" and hasn't been for the last 3,500 years.

50 posted on 07/18/2009 12:27:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jessduntno

The local herd of proud noble wild horses was turned out by a bankrupt rodeo stock company in 1949.

Talking to a BLM employee, he said anyone using the term “feral horse” gets an official reprimand in his folder.

The horses graze all year and destroy the range. Cattle and sheep are only grazed for a brief period each year to help improve range.


51 posted on 07/18/2009 12:28:26 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: eartrumpet

Maybe if we start killing off enough older Americans, the $700 million won’t be so hard to come by...


52 posted on 07/18/2009 12:32:05 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: muawiyah

I couldn’t agree more. Though they are referred to as “wild” horses they are descendants of domesticated horses turned loose.


53 posted on 07/18/2009 12:40:26 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: HairOfTheDog; 1rudeboy; manc

In Arizona recently, I bought a 2 year old, green broke, registered Paint filly for $400. I bought a fully trained, sweepstakes nominated Arabian mare with experience in endurance racing for $1200.

Not much of a market now for an adult horse that may try to kill you...


54 posted on 07/18/2009 12:56:58 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers

BTW - I later GAVE the paint filly to a woman who trains horses. A year later, she is a beautiful young horse being ridden daily.

Lots of OK riding horses show up for free on Craigslist...


55 posted on 07/18/2009 1:00:49 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: jessduntno
Is this really what you thought the stimulus was for? I bet everyone who comments on this could think of at least one area where the "Stimulus" money is better suited other than promoting horse contraceptives.

Stuck on a time machine loop are something??? The stimulus has been passed and signed into law for sometime now.

So how in the hell do you think current house business, passed friday, has anything to do with the bogus stimulus. Don't give the liberals ammo to shoot you with.

56 posted on 07/18/2009 1:06:52 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: manc
You adopt them and pay a small fee, contact your Representatives office.
57 posted on 07/18/2009 1:09:07 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

Stuck on a time machine loop are something??? The stimulus has been passed and signed into law for sometime now.

Huh? Don’t think you have the right poster...


58 posted on 07/18/2009 1:29:48 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: jessduntno
Producer Jake says: I guess I need a slap in the face because clearly I'm going crazy, or at least that's what I assumed when I read this earlier today. Guess where 700 Million of your dollars are heading...if you guessed to WILD HORSES (as I'm sure you did) you would be correct. The House Democrats are pushing the “Restore Our American Mustangs Act” (H.R.1018), which would create a new $700 million welfare program for wild horses. Is this really what you thought the stimulus was for? I bet everyone who comments on this could think of at least one area where the "Stimulus" money is better suited other than promoting horse contraceptives. Beckley Office 301 Prince St., Beckley, WV 25801 (304) 252-5000 Bluefield Office 601 Federal St., Room 1005 Bluefield, WV 24701 (304) 325-6222 Huntington Office 845 Fifth Ave. Huntington, WV 25701 (304) 522-6425 Logan Office 220 Dingess St. Logan, WV 25601 (304) 752-4934 Washington Office 2307 Rayburn HOB Washington,DC 20515 (202) 225-3452 http://www.rahall.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=9&sectiontree=9 1 posted on Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:09:47 PM by jessduntno

The above was your post, are you say this is correct are are you saying it is not correct. To make an allegation that current house business is part of the stimulus is stupid and makes the writer look stupid as well.

59 posted on 07/18/2009 1:38:48 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat
The quote was from the article; Producer Jake says: I am not Producer Jake...to think I am makes you look...well...
60 posted on 07/18/2009 1:51:28 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." - Ronald Reagan)
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