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House health care bill 'outlaws private insurance'
World Net Daily ^ | 7-17-09

Posted on 07/17/2009 5:15:18 AM PDT by truthandlife

The current House health care bill would make individual private medical insurance illegal and obliterate the market for individual coverage, opponents warn.

Investor's Business Daily reviewed H.R. 3200, a 1,018-page bill, and sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee when it stumbled upon the following segment listed under "Protecting the Choice to Keep Current Coverage," in the "Limitation on Enrollment" section on Page 16:

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.

"So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised – with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers," Investor's Business Daily reported.

Human Events writer Ross Kaminsky dubbed the Senate bill "an equal disaster" to the House version. Kaminsky outlined the following details of the House bill, referring to it as "the largest tax hike in American history":

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: healthcare; insuranc; obama
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To: Vaquero
Not only will Obama care outlaw private insurance, it will kill Medicare. Seniors screamed bloody murder when Bush proposed SS reform, but now they can't see that they will no longer be first in line for health care, but will be last for ,say, a hip replacement.
21 posted on 07/17/2009 5:59:08 AM PDT by PolishProud (A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants)
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To: NCBraveheart
Let’s face it....we are F***KED!

It's all on John McCain. He REFUSED to let Americans see how radical B. Hussein Obama was. He refused to let Americans see what kind of a monster was his pastor and substitute father, the radical Arab who was his mentor and friend, the abominable work he did for ACORN to sue banks to force them to make subprime loans to unqualified minorities and illegals. THINGS WE MENTIONED EVERY SINGLE DAMN DAY on FR. But that stupid piece of excrement McCain would not let America hear a word of it. He should be pelted with tomatoes wherever he shows his face. I despise him.

22 posted on 07/17/2009 6:04:22 AM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: Dick Bachert
Representative Fleming of Louisiana has introduced a House Resolution REQUIRING ANY MEMBER WHO VOTES FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE TO DROP HIS FULL BENEFIT GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE PLAN AND COME INTO THE NEW PLAN WITH THE REST OF US.

Just put forth an amendment and spend $10 million promoting it everywhere. They will have no choice but to pass it, or America will erupt in anger.

23 posted on 07/17/2009 6:07:39 AM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: PolishProud
Actually seniors have already figured it out. What they must do is KIDNAP doctors and hold them captive to force them to provide medical service.

When it comes to getting hip replacements it becomes a bit more complex ~ then the elderly will need to kidnap doctors' family members first to convince them to do what is needed ~ get hospital admission, line up surgical assistants, purchase appliances, etc.

I'm sure it can all be done ~ after all, this is America and the Mafia needs a new racket or two. And say, isn't our Speaker of the House the daughter of a Siciliano Protectore? Maybe this is what she had in mind and is just helping out her family.

24 posted on 07/17/2009 6:07:40 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: truthandlife

What high-income nations do NOT have single payer? Singapore? We are seriously looking elsewhere for our children’s future.


25 posted on 07/17/2009 6:08:47 AM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: FreepShop1

Hey, when we have finally reduced ourselves to the state of a corrupt, turd-world, hellhole that’s about the 100th biggest economy in the world, at least we know the Mullah’s won’t nuke us.

Any body who said we had to watch out for the domestic enemies , the money, and the creeping socialism was just a KRAZEE KOOOK.

It was the big bad nukes, remember that.

But, hey at least we’ll still be free because we’ll live in the same geographical area.


26 posted on 07/17/2009 6:18:12 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (Your government has harmed mankind more than all the evil done by evil men in the name of my God.)
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To: truthandlife

Everyone should take note that even if they manage to strip the “public option” out of this plan, they will still be able to drive private insurance out of business within a few short years by inserting “gotcha” provisions like this one.
When a few big carriers go under it will trigger a “crisis”, and the Feds can then ride to the rescue with single payer.


27 posted on 07/17/2009 6:18:37 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: truthandlife

Private health insurance coverage is available EVEN in communist China! And more and more private health clinics are opening (I know of several in Shanghai) that accept private insurance, even from abroad in some cases, and where the health care is known to be superior. More and more private and foreign based dental clinics are opening as well.

So, Obama and the Dems want an American system inferior to that of China!


28 posted on 07/17/2009 6:21:17 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: NCBraveheart
Let’s face it....we are F***KED!..... posted by NCBraveheart

That's pretty ironic.

29 posted on 07/17/2009 6:28:03 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("If they taxed condoms and toilet paper, they'd have us coming and going." - Lazamataz, 2002)
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To: truthandlife
THIS IS WAR!
30 posted on 07/17/2009 6:28:20 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: truthandlife
The premise of this bill is nothing but BS but the quote states "Except as provided in this paragraph..."

What's the rest of the paragraph?

Someone stated on another thread that the rest of the paragraph sets conditions on private insurance but doesn't outlaw it as WND and IBD breathlessly report.

It's important that we KNOW what we're pissed about, lest we look like fools.

31 posted on 07/17/2009 6:36:42 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: Vaquero

ping


32 posted on 07/17/2009 6:43:13 AM PDT by acw011 (Great Goooogly Mooogly!)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

There are exceptions for government employees, Congress, and,

wait for it...

UNION MEMBERS.


33 posted on 07/17/2009 6:45:14 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: truthandlife

That’s ridiculous. Even in Europe where public health insurance is offered, citizens are able to purchase private health insurance in addition to the public insurance policy.


34 posted on 07/17/2009 6:49:37 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: truthandlife

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrwdZ2bX-oc


35 posted on 07/17/2009 6:50:07 AM PDT by sweetiepiezer (I have a Pal in Sarah)
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To: FreepShop1

Blame the GOP, too.


36 posted on 07/17/2009 6:53:44 AM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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To: truthandlife

Page 16 is designed to stifle the objection that the rest of the bill does in fact outlaw private insurance: you can keep your beloved insurance - so long as you don’t change anything, the provider doesn’t change anything, and that somehow the provider manages to stay in business and provide the same service for the same cost despite a sudden loss of most clients with no prospects of new customers (save for new dependents).

It is a rhetorical trick designed to answer a concern with a formal positive yet conceal the massive negative. It’s a variation on “malicious obedience” - to wit: “sure I’ll do what you want ... but in a way which you will regret.”


37 posted on 07/17/2009 6:57:22 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: truthandlife
It is an atrocity.

Read it here

PAGE 16

PAGE 148 LINE 17

PAGE 151 LINE 3 and 23

38 posted on 07/17/2009 6:57:44 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: truthandlife

I wonder if Page 16 may be designed as a lightning rod: the opposition will get upset by it, and will be relieved when it is “grudgingly” removed, overlooking the more deeply concealed evils. Sometimes you win a compromise by offering something outlandish, then “settle” for what you really wanted but wouldn’t have gotten if that’s all you asked for in the first place.


39 posted on 07/17/2009 6:59:29 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: FreepShop1

It’s more than that...any “conservative” movement has been co-opted by the go along to get along crowd.


40 posted on 07/17/2009 7:00:18 AM PDT by NCBraveheart (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing it's Idiot)
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