Posted on 07/11/2009 7:36:26 AM PDT by conservativegramma
A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida with orders to report for deployment to Afghanistan within days has filed a court demand to be classified as a "conscientious objector" because without proof of the commander-in-chief's eligibility for office, the entire army "becomes merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate control of a private citizen."
A hearing on the questions raised by Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, an engineer who told WND he wants to serve his country in Afghanistan, already has been scheduled for July 16 at 9:30 a.m., according to California attorney Orly Taitz, who is handling the claim.
Cook told WND he's ready, willing and able to carry out the military needs of the United States, but he raised the challenge to Barack Obama's eligibility to be president because if he would be captured by enemy forces while serving overseas under the orders of an illegitimate president, he could be considered a "war criminal."
"As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,' he is not eligible to be commander-in-chief," he told WND only hours after the case was filed.
"[Then] any order coming out of the presidency or his chain of command is illegal. Should I deploy, I would essentially be following an illegal [order]. If I happened to be captured by the enemy in a foreign land, I would not be privy to the Geneva Convention protections," he said.
The order for the hearing in the federal court for the Middle District of Georgia from U.S. District Judge Clay D. Land said the hearing on the request for temporary restraining order will be held Thursday.
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“...A vast array of unavailable info,...confirms something to him...”?
This is not very convincing or professional. I do not think he should be in combat with the mission or people’s live at risk.
I agree with your reading of the C.O. law.
But you imply that the Major does not have a right to file his lawsuit and have his day in court.
There, I do not agree.
In our country, people have the right to be Republican or Democrat. I was just curious, you appear to always take the Democrat position. Are you a Democrat?
The judge in the case, Clay Land, is a George W. Bush appointee. So, he may have some kind of a shot (meaning that if he had drawn a Clinton or Carter appointee, he would have had no shot).
"Right wing?" How so? If I'm not mistaken I thought Watada refused to deploy taking the stand that the Iraq war was "illegal". In my book that would make him "Left wing". Major Cook is taking quite the opposite stand, he supports the war and his deployment but questions the legitimacy of the order from a Commander in Chief who has yet to prove he meets all the qualifications of holding the office of the president.
As a side note, what was the outcome of Lt. Watada's legal problems?
Again, I agree with substance of his grievance. The conscientious objector part, which is apparently the basis of his complaint, will be tough to grant.
I hope he prevails since it will open a hugh and series can of worms for Zero.
He can file whatever he wants to file in whatever court he cares to file it in. It would be nice if he actually had some grounds to file it on, but his conscientious objection claims have absolutely no connection with Obama's citizenship. If he's actually a CO then who is president has no bearing on his objection to the war.
This noble soldier is performing the career equivalent of throwing himself on a hand grenade to save his comrades.
This man is a field grade officer who may soon be facing a direct order to deploy to Afghanistan. If he refuses then the Army will be required to court-martial him. At that point he should be availed the mechanisms of discovery, particularly the relevant documents that would prove or disprove the usurper’s constitutional eligibility so that he might be able to mount a proper defense.
I suspect that the Louse in the White House will then exert improper command influence to get the case dropped. He can’t afford to have discovery for any reason.
I remember one Lieutenant Watada who refused to deploy to Iraq and the mainstream media endlessly speculated as to whether or not he was justified by refusing to follow lawful orders to deploy. We just know those rotten bastards won’t have any interest in this case whatsoever. But the truth will out no matter what the SOB’s try to do.
No, not at all. I just don't see the relevance to the discussion. The fact he is a FReeper doesn't make him right or wrong. It just makes him a FReeper. If this becomes a cult I'm out of here.
Exactly,Maj Cook his taking his stand on a right wing unproven political argument. Lt Watada took his stand on an unproven left wing argument. Cook and Watada may have different politics but both have made the same foolish mistake.
As a side note, what was the outcome of Lt. Watada's legal problems?
I think all that happened was he lost his military career. I'm not 100% sure about the type of discharge or any other penalties.
Chester A. Arthur perpetrated a fraud as to his eligibility to be Vice President by spreading various lies about his parents’ heritage. Arthur’s father, William Arthur, became a United States citizen in August 1843, but Arthur was born in 1829 — 14 years before. Therefore, Arthur was a British Citizen by descent, and a dual citizen at birth, if not his whole life.
He wasn’t a “natural born citizen” and he knew it.
We’ve also uncovered many lies told by Arthur to the press which kept this fact from public view when he ran for Vice President in 1880. Garfield won the election, became President in 1881, and was assassinated by a fanatical Chester Arthur supporter that same year.
But it must be noted that he was never legally challenged by a proper court were ever sir with any legal papers in the matter of his natural born citizenship.
In the 20th and 21st century’s three presidential candidates have been challenged over their constitutional eligibility. Barry Goldwater, George Romney, and John McCain. All of those men unhesitatingly provided what ever documents requested for that which was necessary to prove or disprove the claims against them. Rock Obama is the first ever ever in the history of United States to go through such lengths to conceal this vital information from the American people. It is simply unprecedented and speaks volumes as to the character of this awful man.
And just which state are you admitted to practice in?
The major is filing for status as a Conscientious Objector.
Irrelevant to the issue of Obama's alleged ineligibility. Obama will not have any role in deciding whether to grant the major CO status - that is a question for his General Court Martial Convening Authority, who will consult with his Staff Judge Advocate and Chaplain in determining whether to grant CO status. That will in no way involve the President.
If the court finds he does not have grounds to do that, then he has the option to accept the ruling and deploy as ordered.
What? The Courts are NEVER involved in CO determinations. That is a question for, as I discussed, his GCMCA.
Wow. I’ll say this for him: he has a pair. Where in Florida is he from?
We don’t want a court to remove him from office, at least those of us who respect the Constitution and understand the concept of separation of powers, even as regards the usurper. We only want discovery ordered. Once that happens we can avail ourselves of the political mechanisms to remove him from office.
We agree on everything, then.
The Major has a right to file his suit, and he will probably lose.
So, then he accepts the ruling and deploys.
In the meantime, a few thousand more people will be scratching their heads, wondering why Obama refuses to release his long form birth certificate.
Just so you know, I personally believe that Obama was born in Hawaii.
However, I think there is something politically embarrassing on his long form BC, and I want to know what that is.
At some point in time, prominent and respected people will begin to ask, “Mr. President, why don't you just release your long form BC and put an end to all this nonsense?”
The Major's case is just part of the process that will lead us to that day.
In other words, a fishing expedition.
No, he will lose his case and will also be kicked out of the Army for insubordination. (Or at least be given the opportunity to resign before being kicked out.)
Why why do you want him to get away with this? It is beyond dispute that he has not provided any factual evidence that he is a natural born citizen qualified to hold the office of President of the United States.
I ask you again; do you want him to get away with this apparent usurpation? Especially considering the fact that there is ample evidence that he used campaign fraud and forgery to do so.
If what he says is true, then he will be vindicated by the documents and we will look like the fools and disrupters that you critics say we are. I am certain that we will be vindicated when the documents are open for public examination, and it is you know what have some explaining to do. Which may just be the answer to my question.
“What? The Courts are NEVER involved in CO determinations. That is a question for, as I discussed, his GCMCA.”
The WND article states:
“The order for the hearing in the federal court for the Middle District of Georgia from U.S. District Judge Clay D. Land said the hearing on the request for a temporary restraining order will be held Thursday.”
Wow, jude.
I'm not writing a legal treatise here.
The Major filed a restraining order.
So, if the restraining order is denied, he can accept the ruling and deploy as ordered.
Feel better, now?
The whole point is that this continues to draw attention to Obama’s long form birth certificate.
At some point in time, people with national stature will begin to ask, “Mr. President, why not just release your long form BC and end all this nonsense?”
Personally, I believe Obama was born in Hawaii.
However, I think there is something politically embarrassing on his long form BC, and I want to see it.
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