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The Political Gap That Divides Generations
by Faith ^ | July 2009 | Susan Fikse

Posted on 07/10/2009 12:05:10 PM PDT by Theophilus

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Interesting, alarming, provocative, problematic and sometimes false article from my church denomination: The Presbyterian Church In America

In the second paragraph asserts that Kim has a passion for the poor:

Kim has developed a passion for the poor and perceives that Democrats have traditionally been more active in providing for their needs.

Since when has the Democratic Party ever been a charitable organization? I contend that Kim's passion may be for assuaging her guilt.

Kim also thinks that legislative change on same-sex marriage is unlikely, even as legislatures around the country vote on it and courts legislate on it.

She also says that her vote was more focused on issues where change is possible—such as poverty and global health issues—than on traditionally conservative concerns where legislative change is unlikely, like abortion and same-sex marriage.

It cannot possibly be true that change on same-sex marriage is unlikely. The issue is being defined and decided right now!

I have a lot more to think and say about this article. What do you think?

1 posted on 07/10/2009 12:05:10 PM PDT by Theophilus
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To: Theophilus

I think there’s a whole bunch of goats on the loose in the churches.


2 posted on 07/10/2009 12:10:17 PM PDT by Califreak (Dissident under duress)
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To: Theophilus
This is just another call to join the good-guys, the Democrat establishment.

The ignoramus cited in the article is Biblically illiterate and given over to “do gooder” feelings. She talks about solving world problems in the same way the World Council of Churches has for a century. Nothing new here.

This is globalist propaganda.

3 posted on 07/10/2009 12:10:51 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Theophilus

Like so many other liberal luntics, “Kim” is going to go bananas thinking that she can end all of the poverty in the world. She’d have better luck working on changing the rotation of the Earth to a clockwise direction.


4 posted on 07/10/2009 12:11:04 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! How's that "hope and change" thing working out?)
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To: Theophilus

I’d say it’s more likely that Kim , because of her age, still believes in and is influenced by the media.
Give her some time to realize the disconnect between what she is told and what she sees.
It’s likely the next three years will be more than adequate. ;o)


5 posted on 07/10/2009 12:12:20 PM PDT by astyanax (I'm here to spread peace, love and happiness... so get the f*#% out of my way.)
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To: Theophilus
The difference between the age groups is experience and cynicism. Obama sounds good, but promised things that anybody with a cynical attitude or experience in Chicago style politics knew he wasn't going to deliver. A fresh out of university twenty something isn't going to go into the debate with the "its a lie until proved otherwise" attitude you need to properly evaluate Obama.

The fact that she believes you can eliminate poverty shows a lack of "real world" experience. There are people who are poor because of circumstance, and their are people who are poor because they have made bad decisions with their lives. The former are the vast minority and can be helped by outsiders. The latter constituting the vast majority must first help themselves. No government program can help the crack head, drunk, gang banger, or the person who blows their paycheck on the latest video game console when they can't make the rent.
6 posted on 07/10/2009 12:14:23 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world, and they are all out to get me.)
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To: astyanax

“To be young and not be a liberal is to have no heart...”
You know the rest.


7 posted on 07/10/2009 12:15:59 PM PDT by astyanax (I'm here to spread peace, love and happiness... so get the f*#% out of my way.)
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To: Theophilus

I think she is someone who is confused about the roles of the state and the Church,

and has not received proper doctrinal training about her proclaimed faith.

Also, I believe for all the “passions” she claims to have,
she simply voted for “the cool black guy”, and didn’t think any deeper than that.


8 posted on 07/10/2009 12:17:24 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Theophilus

I think white America was guilted into voting for Obama, plain and simple.


9 posted on 07/10/2009 12:22:51 PM PDT by Catholic Canadian ( I love Stephen Harper!)
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To: Theophilus

I think Kim, basically, is a moron. Like all the other “undecided” morons who put the fraud Obama over the top. I hope she realizes what she and her ilk have done to the USA, and she should pray that she does not become a victim of Obama’s horrendous agenda.

But, then again - and I know this is a way to bring real bad karma down on me - I find myself hoping that things get worse economically and that the “Kims” of the US reap what they have sown in their ignorance.


10 posted on 07/10/2009 12:36:10 PM PDT by astounded (The democrat party is a clear and present danger to America.)
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To: Theophilus

While there is not necessarily a “one size fits all” Christianity, there are basic Christian tenants (doctrines) concerning Truth and morality, God’s morality, the only bedrock morality around, man’s “morality” pivots with the breezes like a windsock, we call them “ethics”.

One cannot ignore these basic tenants of faith, they, like God’s morality, are bedrock issues. Jesus said that He is the ONLY way to the Father. Period. Now, try and schmooze that over to your Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc., etc. friends or your orthodox Jewish friend, you’d better know what you’re talking about.

“Evangelical” Christians, quite simply, are those who evangelize, who present the GOSPEL, it’s not a clique, it’s not a club. If one claims to be a CHRISTian, then he/she is one who believes that Christ is who He said He is and works to follow his teachings, not what one “feels” is right. It’s clearly laid out in Scripture but one must be discerning of course and when speaking to others concerning your faith, we are to present it with a Christian love and humility, not swat someone across the face with your 5# Bible.

Liberals love to yap about “empowering”, well, Christianity IS empowering and quoting the most misused, misquoted quote of all, “...and the Truth shall set you free” but she’d better study that a bit because I’ll bet you that the next question out of her mouth is “but, but, what is truth???”.

Kim, you want to help the poor? Well then, knock yourself out and get with it, don’t depend on a political party to do those things, the onus is on you anyway, not the club you belong to. There are many more things in this article that need parsing. I see too many “Christians” totally emmersed in “the world”, being OF the world, not just in the world, they are indistinguishable from the others, there’s a lot of “God talk” out there, very little doing. And we are not to give up on abortion and same-sex issues just because they seem deadlocked.

Kim is the typical idealistic young person with little experience and apparently believes the lies of politics (helping the poor, “social justice”, etc., etc.), she needs to look closely at good churches, the work they do is phenomenal, also other ministries out there, there are many who truly do the Lord’s work. She also needs to push the “go” button and start doing that herself.


11 posted on 07/10/2009 12:44:56 PM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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Kim is a 25-year-old Christian, a nurse who graduated from Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Mich.

My wife is an ER Nurse with 30 years of experience. When a liberal talks to her about socialized medicine. She askes "Are you willing to wait 6 weeks or more for a consultation"? "If you are 80 years old, are you willing to be told you can't have bypass surgery because the government says it is too expensive and your not of enough value to it?"

After these two, she usually hits them up with "are you willing to pay three times as much or more, for less professional services?" This usually gets folks attention.

Yes, she assures them. The government will have to relax the standards to get enough doctors to meet the "Free" demand (which we will actually pay through the nose in taxes). With competition down, doctors can slow down and the government won't want to let go of the few who will take government salaries".

At this point, folks usually give her an "Oh". She could, of course, ask them "Are you willing to give up Second Opinions if the govenment says they are too expensive?"

12 posted on 07/10/2009 12:49:04 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: Theophilus

Kim voted for Zero ‘cause she’s an idiot. She really thinks that setting up the poor as permanent clients of the political elites is helping them? She’s impressed by Zero’s time as a community parasite, his big accomplishment being that he helped remove asbestos from the projects? It’s still a ghetto, and will remain so till the end of time or until the country stops listening to the con artists of the left.


13 posted on 07/10/2009 12:49:57 PM PDT by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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A Christian, a nurse, pro-life, conservative Republican-——she cast her vote for Barack Obama.

Now all she is is a fool and she doesn’t represent any of those alleged beliefs in good standing.


14 posted on 07/10/2009 12:52:25 PM PDT by Gator113 (I live in "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world." Imam Obama told me so.)
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To: brushcop

Eph 4:28 tells us how to best help the poor. INDIVIDUALLY.

28If you are a thief, quit stealing. Be honest and work hard, so you will have something to give to people in need.


15 posted on 07/10/2009 12:54:33 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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Religious voter are not, and never have been majority voters for the GOP.

Evangelicals...yes, but not overwhelmingly so.

The idea that the media, the left...and even the GOP would perpetuate this fallacy is baffling to me. Especially with the GOP itself...pandering (maybe that's not a good word...perhaps "overly accommodating") to the religious right on some very divisive issues that are not part of classic conservative principals.

Conservatives used to be centered around the Bill of Rights...inclusive of the 10th Amendment...reduced regulation, spending and taxes, national defense etc. and didn't have much to say on the burning social issues.

16 posted on 07/10/2009 12:55:19 PM PDT by Mariner
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For starters, there will always be poor people, by definition, if only one person had one cent less than the remainder, they would be "poor", if one person had a cent more, the rest would be "poor".

All the money thrown at the problem since the economic focus shifted from exploring space to "taking care of the problems right here at home" has not lessened the problem one bit--if anything, it has made for more poor people.

Even worse, the systematic removal of the concept of right and wrong and supplanting that with a misguided concept of "tolerance" has, in the absence of public mention of God, led to an absence of clear standards of behaviour.

He explains, “Whereas fighting the ‘bad guy’ made total sense to those growing up during the Cold War, this generation values diplomacy. They say, ‘We have to live at peace with others.’” For Thompson, who is also pursuing a Ph.D. in religion and politics at the University of Virginia, this cultural shift explains the appeal of Obama among younger Christians. “It’s about ethos, not policy,” he says. “Obama embodies the ethic of tolerance.”

This is indicative of the wishy-washy mental mush which passes for 'tolerance' which is in fact an absence of strong beliefs on any issue. When you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything. Or, as someone else put it: "I would rather ye be hot or cold than lukewarm."

It is the lukewarm, non-confrontational "why can't we all just get along" mentality which will have Western Civilization living in squalid dhimmitude if we do not wake up and stand up for what we know is right.

WWJD?

Who purged the moneychangers from the Temple?

While forgiving of sinners, He did say "Go forth and sin no more." There was more to the story than not casting the stones, and I think that part is being left out.

While we are free to embrace the sinner in Christian forgiveness, we are not free to embrace the sin.

Where any "evangelical" who voted for Obama was led astray, is that a vote for the man is a vote for his policy, not just a vote for the sinner, but the sin as well. How any self-professed evangelical Christian could vote for someone who has publicly embraced the slaughter of infants in the womb and leaving the survivors of that to die unattended is beyond me.

What happened to "Be ye not deceived"?

17 posted on 07/10/2009 12:56:58 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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The younger gen is very confused - even those raised in the Church. Most of them believe in God...but no longer believe God (His Word) or read it. Having lost their plumb line, everything gets defined as “relative.” Hence, they think Obama represents “tolerance.” Of course, he doesn’t (he’s as hardcore partisan as they come) - but he talks a good game. AND, they don’t realize that “tolerance” is a very low standard - not the standard Jesus had.


18 posted on 07/10/2009 12:59:21 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: MrB

That’s right MrB, you’re better at this than I am and I thank you for that. I stumble around and my memory is fleeting...


19 posted on 07/10/2009 12:59:56 PM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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Not to worry. Obama is the young generation’s Carter. He’s about to teach them a lesson in feel-good politics that they’ll never forget.


20 posted on 07/10/2009 1:09:20 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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