A verbis ad verbera
Posted on 07/09/2009 6:25:51 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
This year is the bicentennial of the birth of Charles Darwin (1809–1882), and it’s no accident that assorted atheists are making sure that everyone knows that. But they have some competition from those wanting to name 2009 as the “International Year of Astronomy”, because it’s the quadricentennial of the first use of the telescope by Galileo Bonaiuti de’ Galilei (1564–1642), usually known by his first name only. Not to be outdone, the atheists have long used Galileo as a story of “science versus religion”. So what are the facts? [1]
Not science vs religion, but science vs science
Many historians of science have documented that the first to oppose Galileo was the scientific establishment, not the church. The prevailing ‘scientific’ wisdom of his day was the Aristotelian/Ptolemaic theory—an unwieldy geocentric system, with the earth at the centre of the universe and other heavenly bodies in highly complex orbits around the earth. And it had its origins in a pagan philosophical system.[2]...
Galileo challenged all that, when he promoted Copernicus’s earlier idea that the Earth moved around the sun, i.e. the heliocentric or geokinetic theory.3 And much like the evolutionary establishment today, the Aristotelian establishment reacted furiously. As Arthur Koestler wrote...
(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...
Galileo, Geocentrism, and Joshua’s Long Day Questions and Answers>
Throwing your Geocentric creationist compatriots under the bus there GGG?
No, I’m throwing your geocentric pagan compatriots under the bus.
Still fighting losing battles against the dead then I see.
Nobody who was Pagan made the Catholic Church decide that “and HE set the foundations of the Earth so that it should not be moved forever” meant that the Sun orbited the Earth.
A distinction without a difference. Almost all members of the scientific establishment of the time were churchmen.
==Nobody who was Pagan made the Catholic Church decide that “and HE set the foundations of the Earth so that it should not be moved forever” meant that the Sun orbited the Earth.
It was the scientific establishment of Galileo’s day—not the theologians—who fought the hardest to get the Pope to preserve the pagan geocentric model of Aristotle/Ptolemy. Indeed, the top theologian of Galileo’s day thought his heliocentric model made “excellent good sense.” Unfortunately, the Catholic Church was swayed by the Aristotelian scientific establishment (who hated Galileo)....and the rest, as they say, is history.
As for the Bible verse you are alluding to, there is no reason to assume that it means that the Earth does not move. For instance, the foundation of a locomotive does not move, and yet it sets the course of the locomotive that moves on top of it.
Likewise, Psalm 16:8 says “I have set the LORD always before me; Because He is at my right hand I shall not be moved.” Does that mean the those who set the LORD always before them never physically move? Please!
The point is, the theologians were very favorable to Galileo’s heliocentric model, it was the Aristotelian/Ptolemaic science establishment that was vehemently opposed to Galileo, and pulled out all the stops to destroy him. Of course, Galileo’s arrogance didn’t help much either.
It was the Pope who decides Catholic doctrine.
It was based upon “And HE set the foundations of the Earth so that it should not be moved forever” that the Pope decided, not anything scientific.
Are you trying to say the scientific “establishment” of the day was Pagan?
Much of the science being done was by clergy, they were not Pagan but men who held God foremost in their hearts, and the findings of science led most of them inexorably to the conclusion that the Earth orbits the Sun and that any untoward extrapolation of scripture trying to claim the Earth didn’t move was exactly that.
I guess this is another place where the Bible suddenly turns metaphorical rather than literal and you just have to "know" which is which?
==Are you trying to say the scientific “establishment” of the day was Pagan?
Nope. But they allowed a pagan understanding of our Solar System/Universe to dictate church doctrine in much the same way that the Catholic church is allowing nature worshiping Evos to dictate church doctrine with respect to Darwin’s atheist creation myth today.
That understanding is in no way Pagan when it is justified as scriptural based upon “And HE set the foundations of the Earth so that it should not be moved forever”.
Don’t forget, the “Big Bang Theory” was developed by a Jesuit priest, Georges Lemaître, and was ridiculed by the scientific community for years as “religion masquerading as science”.
Amazingly, you claim to be a Christian!
Yet you seem unable to understand the nature od God’s geocentricity. The fact that Earth was the point of origin of the expansion of the universe is in no way an impediment to the structure of our solar system, or of the cosmos in general. Einstein made that point quite well, but you seem to be frozen in fear of reality, and unable to read his explanation.
But you still want to feel sciencey.
Vatican should learn from Galileo mess, prelate says
newsdaily | 2009/07/02 | Philip Pullella
Posted on 07/07/2009 8:24:48 AM PDT by JoeProBono
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2287295/posts
You too!
Wow, zero understanding of basic physics. The Earth could very well be static in the universe, with the entire cosmos posessing an angular moment about the axis of the Earth, but since we lack a point of reference outside of the cosmos, there is no way that it would be detectable.
As Einstein said, all coordinate systems are equivalent mathematically.
==That understanding is in no way Pagan when it is justified as scriptural based upon “And HE set the foundations of the Earth so that it should not be moved forever”.
Actually, any theologian worth his salt interpreting that verse in light of the whole Bible would know that there are verses referring to the spiritual aspects of moving objects as not being moved. Indeed, had the Catholic theologians prevailed, instead of the Ptolemaic/Aristotelian scientific establishment of Galileo’s day, the Catholic Church would almost certainly have adopted Galileo’s heliocentric model instead of putting him on house arrest, as per the wishes of the the scientific establishment of his day. That’s what happens when you put your trust in scientists who have placed a pagan understanding of “science” above God’s Holy Word.
See #18
So anyone who isn’t a Geocentrist isn’t a Christian?
Laughable.
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