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Communities confront 'ghostbox' buildings
Minneapolis-St. Paul Star-Tribune / AP ^ | 2009.07.06 | JAMES MacPHERSON

Posted on 07/06/2009 9:44:34 PM PDT by B-Chan

Hundreds of anxious shoppers watched as city officials used power saws to cut 2-by-4s during Home Depot Inc.'s ribbon-cutting ceremony for its 102,700-square-foot building center in Bismarck.

Less than three years later, the home improvement retailer shuttered the underperforming store, leaving a big orange empty eyesore on the outskirts of town. The building, sitting derelict and silent on acres of asphalt, is now listed for sale at $10.5 million.

But there's been little interest in the near windowless warehouse-like building that occupies a lot the size of a dozen football fields. For potential tenants "it's a hard pitch because for most uses it seems to be a bit of a tough fit," said Brian Ritter, business development director of the Bismarck-Mandan Development Association.

As the recession takes its toll on big-box retailers, more communities across the country are having to confront not just the eyesore of giant empty stores, but also the loss of jobs and tax revenue that follow. Many are trying to find creative uses for those near windowless monoliths.

In Minnesota, one became a Spam Museum. In Texas, an indoor go-cart track. In Illinois, a church moved into an empty Wal-Mart. The new tenants, however, often generate less revenue for local governments. And with the recent spate of bankruptcies and store closures, including Circuit City and Linens 'N Things, more abandoned buildings will be added to a struggling commercial real estate market.

There are already hundreds of empty "ghostboxes" around the country. "There is not a landfill on earth able to handle all the big boxes that we have sitting empty," says Julia Christensen, author of the book "Big Box Reuse," who has been studying the trend since 2002...

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigboxretail; business; ghostboxes; recession
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1 posted on 07/06/2009 9:44:35 PM PDT by B-Chan
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To: B-Chan

“There is not a landfill on earth able to handle all the big boxes that we have sitting empty,”

Kind of a silly and pointless statement.


2 posted on 07/06/2009 9:46:51 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Why excerpt your own blog? If its that damned important, then (Excerpted. Click here to read more))
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To: wafflehouse; Leisler; PAR35; TigerLikesRooster; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; ...
*Ping!*
3 posted on 07/06/2009 9:47:27 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: Larry Lucido

I guess what he was referring to is that, if demolished, there would be no place to dispose of the rubble.

Sounds like they would make good homeless shelters to me.


4 posted on 07/06/2009 9:49:50 PM PDT by Ronin (It will be helpful if Geithner can show us some arithmetic.)
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To: B-Chan

I won’t stop until there are Ghost City Halls and Ghost State Capitols.


5 posted on 07/06/2009 9:50:34 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: B-Chan

The will be known as Obamaville’s. The homeless and suffering can go there to live when the become unemployed because of EFAC.


6 posted on 07/06/2009 9:51:24 PM PDT by ncfool (The GEORGE BUSH revolution has finally arrived in Iran! Where is Obama?)
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To: Larry Lucido
This whole article is silly.

A whiny Liberal has an eyesore on his way to work so he's going to rail against the world and all of its injustices because there's not a park with waterfalls, rainbows and unicorns there instead.

Reality is this is how the Capitalistic world works.

7 posted on 07/06/2009 9:53:09 PM PDT by rvoitier
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To: B-Chan

“.....leaving a big orange empty eyesore on the outskirts of town.”

Paint it green! Paint everything greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!


8 posted on 07/06/2009 9:53:44 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: B-Chan

Why dont they just call them “hope and change” buildings?


9 posted on 07/06/2009 9:54:50 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Ronin
That's how Detroit's "ghostboxes" have been used for years.


10 posted on 07/06/2009 9:55:31 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Why excerpt your own blog? If its that damned important, then (Excerpted. Click here to read more))
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To: B-Chan

re: The new tenants, however, often generate less revenue for local governments.

Of course, we all know that the value of any tenant or endeavor is based solely on its ability to generate revenue for government at some level.

If government would spend one tenth the time finding ways to cut expenditures as they do searching for sources of additional revenue we’d all be better off!

Until we find a way to dry up the revenue stream to government, and thus deprive the monster of its sustenance, it’s only going to get worse. We, meaning the taxpayers, are at war with government and it’s time we call it that treat it with the concern a war deserves.


11 posted on 07/06/2009 9:57:45 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: B-Chan

We’ve got this really, big, shiny ghost pyramid sitting on the Mississippi River! Beat that! lol


12 posted on 07/06/2009 9:59:18 PM PDT by TNdandelion (This should be fun.)
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To: Ronin

re: make good homeless shelters to me

Great idea! Just use plywood and painted facade to make them look like bridges and they would be perfect!


13 posted on 07/06/2009 9:59:33 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: Larry Lucido

That kinda looks like Mogadishu...only taller.


14 posted on 07/06/2009 10:00:23 PM PDT by TNdandelion (This should be fun.)
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To: B-Chan

There are a number of these in my town.

I have mixed feelings about them. On the one hand, if you own the property, I think you have the right to do with it as you please.

On the other hand, I think that properties like this should not be allowed to decay or become magnets for vandals or taggers, as those things cascade through neighborhoods, killing property values. I’d like to see municipalities push to require their constant upkeep or forfeiture.

I see the right to “do as you please” ending when it negatively affects other property owners.


15 posted on 07/06/2009 10:04:20 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Mitt Romney & his sons: members of the 1st Winnebago Motor Home Brigade, aka "The Fightin' RVs")
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To: ncfool
They will be known as Obamaville’s. The homeless and suffering can go there to live when they become unemployed because of EFAC.

And they will only have to add a single letter to the old signs.

16 posted on 07/06/2009 10:08:47 PM PDT by Bobalu (If life was fair it would be the horse's turn to ride.)
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To: Ronin
Sounds like they would make good homeless shelters to me.

Remember what happened when the authorities filled the Superdome in New Orleans with thousands of the city's poor?

17 posted on 07/06/2009 10:11:58 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: rvoitier

“Reality is this is how capitalism works”...

Sort of, and so far it has been missed, how capitalism really works is some genius entrepeneur will create a solution for using the empty buildings that makes them wealthy and also helps the community via utlitizing the empty space.

You know, the exact thing the Obama Admin despises, prosperity without leave or a “Obamao may I”?


18 posted on 07/06/2009 10:19:19 PM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: B-Chan
Turn them into indoor shooting ranges.
19 posted on 07/06/2009 10:28:23 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: B-Chan

At the right price, someone will buy this and turn it into something useful, at $10 Million it just ain’t gonna sell.

Case in point, my little brother’s in-laws bought a Case Tractor store, complete with a tractor paint booth (yup, with breathing filtration systems, lights, paint sprayers, the whole shooting match .... for $5,000.

$5,000 - no, not $50K, not $500K. 5K for a tractor dealership’s building and the seperate paint booth. They use it to store crap they buy when they go to estate auctions. So, it’s full of dinnerware, old clothes, antique pianos and what not.

But, at the right price - someone will buy that building. It may become a plant nursery, a factory, a roller skating rink - but at some price - someone will get one hell of a deal. Now, if I just had $5,000 sitting around ...


20 posted on 07/06/2009 10:28:56 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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