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Sarah Palin, New Party ?????
vanity | 07/03/2008 | taildragger

Posted on 07/03/2009 6:40:30 PM PDT by taildragger

Like many here, I am a political prognosticator. I followed Sarah Palin here for almost 2 years and told friends last May if McCain only chance is to pick Palin. So what does Sarah Palin's latest move mean?


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KEYWORDS: 2012; fedindictmentcoming; gopimplosion; independent; palin; parties; quitter; sarahbarraquitta
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To: upsdriver

They both squandered it.
The bottom line is Sarah Palin brought home the conservative vote.
That accounted for about 40% of the 45.7% that McCain-Palin pulled.
But she was unable to pull in moderates and independents, who are essential to winning the White House. They went overwhelming to 0bama, and McCain’s choice of Palin was one of the main factors why in the end.
No candidate can win with conservatives alone, and that is all Palin can deliver.


101 posted on 07/03/2009 7:46:35 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: taildragger

I’m not saying that I know a lot of people, but the water cooler talk when Plain was picked was about 50/50. Some people jumping on board and it seemed just as many jumping off.


102 posted on 07/03/2009 7:46:39 PM PDT by repubpub
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To: Steel Wolf

I don’t know, the American people cheered FDR on as the “hope and change” candidate four times. The people are certifiably slow learners.


103 posted on 07/03/2009 7:48:18 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: taildragger

A third party will keep us out of the WH, Senate, and the House. In 2012, Dems 50%, Repubs 30%, New Party (a generous) 20%. The New Party people feel empowered. The dems win.

Same thing happens every four years.


104 posted on 07/03/2009 7:48:25 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: muawiyah

You are wrong.
An additional vote for McCain-Palin was an additional vote for McCain-Palin. If McCain had gotten more votes, it would have been from people who did not vote, not from people who voted for 0bama.

Elections are surveys of a candidate’s supporters.
It’s not like people first decide to vote, and THEN decide which candidate to vote for.
They vote BECAUSE they are supporters of one candidate or another.


105 posted on 07/03/2009 7:49:54 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: counterpunch
In the end, she didn’t help the ticket get even close.

What are you smoking man? She was on the ticket, but not the lead dog. McLame was a dog looser. (Global Warming, Amnisty, etc.) A vet, but does not have a clue. If you a not a globalist traitor, the Pubbie Elites will stab you in the back every time. Has to change. If it does not change, there will be an alternative. Both Parties suck. The Dems just suck much worse, they are traitorous Commies.

We are all sick of it, now it the time to do something besides talk.

106 posted on 07/03/2009 7:50:03 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: counterpunch
But the theory that Sarah Palin could be competitive on a national stage was busted in November.

She was competitive, McCain most of the time just smiled when obama attacked him or said something stupid or lied.

He reminded me of Chance in 'Being There.'

107 posted on 07/03/2009 7:50:43 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: Mister Da

“Now, can we get a new conservative leader - one who eats leftists for breakfast & licks his fingers in delight? “

I’d rather have someone who who had charisma, could motivate voters and articulate his or her vision for fixing things.


108 posted on 07/03/2009 7:50:56 PM PDT by Laptop_Ron (The slippery slope is fastest at the bottom.)
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To: Perdogg

Bill Bennett is an elitist who scorns hard-working Americans hurt by his pet programs like affirmative action.


109 posted on 07/03/2009 7:51:03 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: counterpunch
We had X number of voters. There were Y number of nonvoters.

In general a politician has his best chance of getting a vote from his own supporters, and his second best chance from the other guy's supporters.

Neither candidate can count on nonvoters to be motivated to vote.

Sure, there'll be some ~ but the rule is going to be the same as I stated it ~ a vote for McCain was one less vote for Obama.

110 posted on 07/03/2009 7:52:09 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: counterpunch

I think you should thank her for getting mclaim as close as he did.

Take a good look at Sarah and then a better look at the GOP.

They are in trouble and the sooner they realize it the better we will be and they also


111 posted on 07/03/2009 7:52:39 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (We the people, ..... never)
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To: counterpunch

What other elections do you make about the vice presidential candidate?


112 posted on 07/03/2009 7:53:10 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: counterpunch

God love you CP, but you have a very odd view of history.

McCain lost because of McCain. His candidacy made Bob Dole look like an exciting candidate. McCain’s “let’s all get along” crap and his multiple liberal-lite positions made it impossible for him to win. Even if you put Reagan or Limbaugh on as his VP, I bet he still loses against Obama.

Heck, Obama looked MORE Conservative than McCain. How is that possible?

Quit blaming Palin for McCains MANY, MANY campaign liabilities. She may not be the one in 2012, but she was NOT the problem with McCain’s crappy campaign.


113 posted on 07/03/2009 7:53:45 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: taildragger
Sarah Palin, New Party ?????

Not on your life.

114 posted on 07/03/2009 7:53:53 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: counterpunch

The conservative vote is about 85% of the Republican vote. There really aren’t very many countryclubers or RINOs when you get right down to it.


115 posted on 07/03/2009 7:54:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Perdogg; counterpunch
Running one of your losing candidates against the ticket they already lost to 4 years ago amounts to political surrender for a party.

counterpunch's First Rule of Presidential Politics. So far as I can tell, no other serious observer subscribes to counterpunch's First Rule. Which is: Under certain highly specific conditions, it's never happened before. Therefore, it can never happen under any conditions.

For reasons of his own -- never identified -- counterpunch doesn't like Palin. That's his right, of course. But you may feel free to ignore his First Rule as it appears to be borne of bias...

116 posted on 07/03/2009 7:54:44 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: who knows what evil?
Rush made reference to a ‘secret project that kept him up until 5 a.m.’

Prediction: Rush and Sarah will go on the road together, maybe with some others, and they will lay out emperor obama's naked body for all to see. Millions will come out to see them. They will destroy cap and tax and they will destroy health care.

117 posted on 07/03/2009 7:54:59 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: counterpunch

“But she was unable to pull in moderates and independents, who are essential to winning the White House. They went overwhelming to 0bama, and McCain’s choice of Palin was one of the main factors why in the end.
No candidate can win with conservatives alone, and that is all Palin can deliver

This is a great argument, but a little one sided. The Messiah would NOT have won if not for the moderates and independants.

Do you think he will get them next time around.

Yes, Sarah brings CONSERVATISM to the table, and that is all she needs. Ronald Regan did not need anything else did he?


118 posted on 07/03/2009 7:55:42 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (We the people, ..... never)
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To: Perdogg

As to your question #2: Having seen what the GOP has become, what it stands for [nothing], and who leads it, the answer is “As long as it takes”.

And I don’t think it’ll be that long. Il Douche and his assclowns will see to that.


119 posted on 07/03/2009 7:56:05 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: 4rcane
looks like the right is self-destructing

Perhaps a metamorphosis?

120 posted on 07/03/2009 7:57:47 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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