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Gun Lobby's Troubling Attempt to Overturn Chicago Handgun Ban(Barf Alert)
Opposing views ^ | 29 June, 2009 | Freedom States Alliance(antigun group)

Posted on 06/30/2009 5:03:06 AM PDT by marktwain

The Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence sharply criticized the Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA) and Illinois Carry for holding a public rally Friday calling for ending Chicago’s 27-year-old handgun ban only days after the tragic shooting of 9-year-old Chastity Turner who was gunned down while bathing her dog in front of her own home. Thirty-six Chicago Public School students were also killed during the ’09 school year in a continuing rash of gun violence.

Most troubling is the language, tone and materials that pro-gun groups are using to promote their rally in downtown Chicago. Ralph Connor, an African-American conservative who will speak at the rally, continues to preach a divisive message that “gun control is racist” and is eagerly promoting a film that features him, called “No Guns for Negroes.”

The ISRA finds itself in a hypocritical and difficult position playing the race card as an argument to removing the city’s life-saving measure and pushing for a carrying concealed weapons bill. Earlier this month, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit upheld the constitutionality of the Chicago and Oak Park handgun bans by a 3-0 decision. U.S. Circuit Judge Frank Easterbrook, joined by Circuit Court Judges Richard Posner and William Bauer, said they were bound to follow the precedent of the U.S. Supreme Court in its ruling on the Second Amendment not applying to states. All three federal judges were GOP appointees.

Yet in response, Hal Turner, an avid racist and internet radio host from New Jersey was arrested for threatening to kill the three federal judges who upheld Chicago’s handgun ban. Turner said, “”Let me be the first to say this plainly; These judges deserve to be killed.”

“The truth is that the gun lobby could care less about the impact that gun violence has on Chicago, much less the devastating effects on the African-American and Latino communities,” said Thom Mannard, Executive Director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence. “All the gun lobby cares about is their blind and extremist ideology that wants to force deadly and loaded guns into our communities, schools, parks, shopping centers, hospitals, and daycare centers. If the gun lobby really cared about stopping gun violence in our communities they would stop promoting an agenda that makes it all too easy for gangbangers to acquire guns that are used to kill innocent children like Chastity Turner.”

In addition, gun homicides plague the African-American community. According to the Violence Policy Center the annual study, “Black Homicide Victimization in the United States” found that there were 7,425 black homicide victims in the United States. The homicide rate for black victims in the United States was 20.27 per 100,000. In comparison, the overall national homicide rate was 5.38 per 100,000 and the national homicide rate for whites was 3.14 per 100,000.

“The truth is that the gun lobby are enablers of violence by stifling and stopping life-saving reforms to enact stronger gun laws,” said Scott Vogel, Communications Director for the Freedom States Alliance. “Gun extremists preach their limited, narrow and selfish view of ‘their rights’ without any regard to ‘our rights’ as members of a broad community that want to live peacefully and free from the fear of gun violence.”

Parents, victims and survivors of gun violence are focusing on solutions to save lives, instead of debating divisive racial politics with extremists who show no empathy for those killed by gun violence,

“As a parent who has suffered the devastating effects of gun violence in my family, I urge our lawmakers to gain the political will and moral capacity to support common sense gun regulations,” said Ron Holt, the founder and President of PurposeOverPain.org, and whose son Blair was shot and killed on a CTA bus by an armed teen. “If our lawmakers could hear, see, and feel the pain that we as parents who have lost a child to gun violence, then maybe they would understand that we need thoughtful solutions to our gun violence crisis.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; gun; il
Wow. Hard to see how you could come up with more false assumptions, attempts to use the race card, and emotion laden rants. Still, their numbers, when viewed rationally, give the lie to their argument. Black citizens are overwhelmingly represented in the areas of the nation that have strong gun control, yet their murder rate, is nearly 700 percent greater than for White Americans, who are more likely to live where there is less gun control. I wonder where they got those numbers from?
1 posted on 06/30/2009 5:03:06 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I wonder where they got those numbers from?


You want the scary answer??? Oh, wait...That was a rhetorical question...

Sorry, I can be a little dense and fly off the handle and answer something I should leave alone...

Muh bad...Sorry...;-)


2 posted on 06/30/2009 5:29:34 AM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: marktwain

The Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence sharply criticized the Illinois State Rifle

Council Against Handgun Violence?
I have never actually seen a handgun get violent.
Probally a fascinating experience.
I have only to often seen human beings get violent.
But with the Title of their organization it would seem that the only violence that bothers these people is that violence committed by handguns.


3 posted on 06/30/2009 5:30:44 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: marktwain
Kinda looks like “blood running in the streets” only occurs where there are gun bans.
4 posted on 06/30/2009 5:31:39 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Too many zeros in the budget. And the White House.)
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To: marktwain

It is hard to BELIEVE the level of bias in that “article”!


5 posted on 06/30/2009 5:39:17 AM PDT by 2harddrive (then)
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To: CPOSharky

John Lott wrote a book about how handgun bans and concealed-carry bans cause an increase in murder rates, but there are plenty of cities with fairly free gun regulations which have much higher murder rates than many other cities with very restrictive gun laws, such as Boston.


6 posted on 06/30/2009 5:42:38 AM PDT by dangus
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To: marktwain

The writer proves the ineffectivenss of gun control in the first paragraph. If gun control worked, Chicago wouldn’t have gun crimes like the ones he describes. What a moron.


7 posted on 06/30/2009 5:48:26 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: marktwain
From the article: "All the gun lobby cares about is their blind and extremist ideology that wants to force deadly and loaded guns into our communities, schools, parks, shopping centers, hospitals, and daycare centers."

Kids say the darndest things. It's just more projection: leftists have 'blind and extremist ideology that wants to force' their preferences into everyone's lives.

8 posted on 06/30/2009 5:53:25 AM PDT by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: dangus
but there are plenty of cities with fairly free gun regulations which have much higher murder rates than many other cities with very restrictive gun laws, such as Boston.

You're correct. Historically, most of the Northeast has lower violent crime rates than the South. This has been true for over 100 years, so you can't make meaningful comparisons between different cities. The only real comparison you can make is within the same city before and after different gun measures are implemented.

If you look at Washington DC as an example, the gun-related crime rates went up at a rate faster than the surrounding states after they implemented the gun ban.

Florida's gun related crime rate went down when they instituted concealed carry laws - but they also passed stricter sentencing laws for gun crimes at the same time. It's impossible to point to one or the other and say that it's the reason the violent crime rates dropped.

If you look at cities that have strict gun control, their violent crime rates rise faster than the surrounding areas that don't have the restrictive gun laws. When surrounding areas experience a decline in violent crime, the cities like Chicago and Washington don't experience the declines at a comparative rate.

9 posted on 06/30/2009 6:07:37 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: marktwain
“The truth is that the gun lobby are enablers of violence by stifling and stopping life-saving reforms to enact stronger gun laws,” said Scott Vogel

The gun grabbers wouldn't know the truth if it bit them on the A$$. Can they NAME any place that these laws designed to disarm the law-abiding have ever worked?

So much for the “Truth”......

10 posted on 06/30/2009 7:07:39 AM PDT by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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removing the city’s life-saving measure

Chastity Turner was unavailable for comment.

11 posted on 06/30/2009 7:32:43 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
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From the article:

Scott Vogel, Communications Director for the Freedom States Alliance. “Gun extremists preach their limited, narrow and selfish view of ‘their rights’ without any regard to ‘our rights’ as members of a broad community that want to live peacefully and free from the fear of gun violence.”

Translation: Their vague and non-existent “Right” to 'Live peaceably' (whatever that means) and 'free from fear' is supposed to trump a preexisting Right to self-defense that is affirmed and clearly expressed in the countries founding documents.

12 posted on 06/30/2009 8:42:36 AM PDT by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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marktwain said: "... yet their murder rate, is nearly 700 percent greater than for White Americans, ..."

I've certainly read this statistic before, but I have never seen the opposition attempt to use it.

Any of their readers with an IQ above room temperature has to be wondering how the guns know what color the possessor is.

How does "gun violence" know how to burden black people more than white? How do the bullets know to kill more black people than white?

Most five-year-olds could probably sort this out.

13 posted on 06/30/2009 10:43:31 AM PDT by William Tell
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Scott Vogel, Communications Director for the Freedom States Alliance... Ever notice how they name their organizations exactly the opposite of their intended results?
14 posted on 06/30/2009 12:43:03 PM PDT by Edgerunner (Second Amendment Spoken Here)
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To: Edgerunner

It should be something like: Statist Alliance against Freedom.


15 posted on 06/30/2009 1:06:33 PM PDT by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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To: marktwain

This is satire, right?


16 posted on 06/30/2009 8:47:20 PM PDT by metalurgist (Want America back? It'll take guns and rope. We're too far gone.)
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