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CEO of Microsoft's Indian Partner Complains American Grads Are "Unemployable"
daily tech ^ | 6/25/09 | daily tech

Posted on 06/24/2009 6:13:28 PM PDT by Flavius

HCL Technologies is one of India's most powerful and respected tech firms. The company scored a massive $170M USD outsourcing contract from Microsoft last year. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer lavished them with praise, stating, "That extra mile walk by the team (at HCL) has increased our mutual trust and has taken our relationship to newer heights. "

Now HCL's CEO Vineet Nayar has gone on record with some controversial remarks about the quality of American technology college graduates. Tired of hearing stereotypes about Indian tech grads, Mr. Nayar, speaking before an audience of business partners in New York City, blasted American tech grads as "unemployable".

He elaborated that he views American tech grads as inferior to those from India, China, and Brazil as the Americans only want to "get rich" and dream up "the next big thing". He says students from countries like India, China, and Brazil are more willing to put the effort into "boring" details of tech process and methodology, such as ITIL, Six Sigma, etc.

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To: raybbr

Don’t forget TPS reports LOL ! (Office Space)


41 posted on 06/24/2009 7:01:41 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: mylife

That’s why I enjoy being a techie, don’t have to learn any of that crap. I’m thirty and have no desire for management. Especially, when the pay is almost as good as managerial pay.


42 posted on 06/24/2009 7:02:31 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
What state are you in? My experiences are with new hires in CA. It is expensive to live in CA, that may be why they get paid more than $45k. I know young engineers that get hired in their senior year and get raises once their degrees are completed.

I agree with the other posters that internships are extremely important. But as I said before, the Indians coming in to the US as programmers are not qualified. Only brought in for WAGE SUPRESSION!!!
43 posted on 06/24/2009 7:06:31 PM PDT by Fred (Obama Throws the Iranian Citizens Under the Bus)
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To: randomhero97

I have shunned the management path as well.


44 posted on 06/24/2009 7:11:05 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Fred

We are in TX, which is much cheaper than CA. We have low cost of living, no state income tax and cheap housing.

In TX, $45K is a competitive wage for a newly minted 22 year old kid with zero industry experience.


45 posted on 06/24/2009 7:15:19 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: Flavius
You think you got problems? You should see the stammering, incompetent, lying idiot Harvard "grad" we're having to put up with...


46 posted on 06/24/2009 7:18:19 PM PDT by Costumed Vigilante
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To: Flavius

As an IT guy I’ve worked with some of the greatest people in the world from India. However, there is nothing hugely different between their people and ours. In fact, the very reason they’re over here (and in Canada) is that they wanted to get rich!!!

Quite frankly, this guy reminds me sooo much of some of the IT managers I’ve worked for.... IT management here is usually done by non-IT people. Most of the managers in IT management position have no clue how to do the job of their subordinates, and many barely know how to use their Blackberry. What they DO know is stuff like ITIL, Six Sigma, endless standup meetings, mind-numbing project plan meetings (ending up with project plans that are promptly ignored), etc.

So let me ask Microsoft and HCL — was Microsoft built on processes and SixSigma, or was it built on people who dreamed of the “next big thing”? Weren’t there tons of old mainframe companies who were big on process and procedure and quality programs? Wasn’t HP looking for the “next big thing” when they in their glory days, and weren’t big on process and ISO/QS as they went into the dumpster? Shall we even discuss the demise of EDS, a company that couldn’t use enough corporate buzzwords and quality programs and processes?


47 posted on 06/24/2009 7:22:16 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: SoftwareEngineer
Yet guys like me with a ham radio license for over 30 years, military training and work ethics, and 25 years industry experience in EW, ECM, network engineering, wireless network links, and practical thermogoddamics are reduced to being glorified traveling technical equipment repo guys.

What I'm doing now, I don't know if I'll be pulling comms equipment out of some (angry) co-lo site in the middle of the desert, or calculating the thermal mass of a given volume of sand for a hot slab pour, where I get to shovel concrete, or even, recently, taking care of 40 head of longhorns when the ranch manager got sick.

All for beer, cigarettes, company car, and pay expenses out of my own pocket.

I've been making a net loss for 2 years. I'd love a job in DFW that paid 35K and let me get home every night.

And not have to carry a gun for security (against wild critters, not bad guys).

I am grateful that I eat, and have the basics.

/johnny

48 posted on 06/24/2009 7:25:17 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: CORedneck
I remember 6 Sigma from LM. What a waste of time just like ISSO standards. To m, it is bunch of useless busy work. But yet you have to have those certification to do any business.

You should go ahead and diss the Toyota Productions System and Lean Enterprise as well.

Just because most American companies don't know how to deploy an initiative does not negate its validity. ISSO is about standardizing your processes (standardized work), and Six Sigma is about reducing variation caused defects in processes. DMAIC is simply the application of the Scientific method to problem solving. However, these programs are deployed as empty slogans and cheesy signs in the foyer.

I personally have overseen multiple millions of $$ in cost savings at companies from Life Sciences to Welding rod manufacturers, and everything in between using Lean and Six Sigma tools. These programs always fail because of the incompetence of management, in spite of the best guidance money can buy. Many companies don't want to make the hard decisions required to fix their problems.

49 posted on 06/24/2009 7:27:32 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: CORedneck
I remember 6 Sigma from LM. What a waste of time just like ISSO standards. To m, it is bunch of useless busy work. But yet you have to have those certification to do any business.

You should go ahead and diss the Toyota Productions System and Lean Enterprise as well.

Just because most American companies don't know how to deploy an initiative does not negate its validity. ISSO is about standardizing your processes (standardized work), and Six Sigma is about reducing variation caused defects in processes. DMAIC is simply the application of the Scientific method to problem solving. However, these programs are deployed as empty slogans and cheesy signs in the foyer.

I personally have overseen multiple millions of $$ in cost savings at companies from Life Sciences to Welding rod manufacturers, and everything in between using Lean and Six Sigma tools. These programs always fail because of the incompetence of management, in spite of the best guidance money can buy. Many companies don't want to make the hard decisions required to fix their problems.

50 posted on 06/24/2009 7:27:33 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: SoftwareEngineer

You are not a fuddy duddy.

You appear to be a hire.

Those in flips flops had better damn well impress.


51 posted on 06/24/2009 7:31:22 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: SoftwareEngineer

At our school, they have a class that teaches you how to job hunt, including interviewing skills. Its hard to believe that anyone at our school would pull that. After a few rejections, I’m sure these kids will wise up.


52 posted on 06/24/2009 7:31:52 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Flavius

Some of the latest imports from there have not been too hot either.

I think we took the cream of the crop and the outsourcing crop is not looking so good.


53 posted on 06/24/2009 7:32:47 PM PDT by Mr. K (physically unabel to proofreed (<---oops))
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To: JRandomFreeper

Do you have a formal degree?


54 posted on 06/24/2009 7:34:31 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: rbg81

“Do you have a formal degree?”

There’s another topic.

By the time most 4-year colleges get a grad out of the door, what they know is pretty much either 1) basic theory, or 2) so dated that it’s not worth much.

IT has generally been a place where the latest-greatest hottest technology pays the most. Second place goes to guys like me who are riding a legacy technology to the bottom, and are pretty much willing to travel to far parts of the world in order to make pretty good money decommissioning the stuff.

No matter where they are from, newbies just lack experience that us “older” (age 47) guys have gained from seeing techs, and technologies, come and go. Oh, yeah, and seeing management fads and managers come and go too.


55 posted on 06/24/2009 7:40:11 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: rbg81
Does Jobs or Gates? Actually, Jobs may now. Seems like he got his a few years ago.

No. I have training certs/licenses from USAF, Sun MicroSystems, IBM, FCC, and many others. And lots of still functioning tech in industry that I have built.

But I am older. And not so popular with the PC crowd.

So I do what I must, which is create and build, while others destroy.

I'll survive, regardless, until I can't hunt anymore, but at this point, $35K for 40 hours a week in DFW doing systems analysis/programming would be like a retirement spot. Beats the hell out of golf.

/johnny

56 posted on 06/24/2009 7:46:47 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Honestly, I would look into getting the sheepskin. With your experience, it should not be a problem. As for Gates and Jobs—they are the six-sigma exceptions. For the vast (vast) majority of us, we have to fit into the system.


57 posted on 06/24/2009 7:57:28 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: rbg81

“Honestly, I would look into getting the sheepskin.”

Why?

I have a BA-econ that was minted in 1984. Ir that would’ve been a BS-CS from Purdue in 1984 instead, what would Purdue have taught me that had any relevance to what I do today?


58 posted on 06/24/2009 8:02:28 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: rbg81
Neg. I can't stand wasting time. The only reason I graduated culinary school was that it was a 9 month intensive course, and when stuff got stupid or redundant, I raised hell and made them change to cover new stuff that I didn't know, and had to work for.

I couldn't sit through wymnens studies or other BS for a 4 year degree that I could complete (or teach) in less than 2 years.

I'm not going back to traditional school again. I will continue learning, with my 2 hours daily of study on subjects ranging from 16th century weapons and tactics, to the molecular structure of capsicum.

It worked well for many years. The last two have been difficult. I'll manage.

/johnny

59 posted on 06/24/2009 8:05:14 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: TWohlford
Look at post #52. He's part of the system.

/johnny

60 posted on 06/24/2009 8:07:08 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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