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Need some healthcare help----Vanity
June 24, 2009 | mockingbyrd

Posted on 06/24/2009 6:09:11 PM PDT by mockingbyrd

So I am in an online discussion with a couple of Canadians about health care. They maintain that their's is cheaper (they say their taxes are fairly comprable to ours) and that American health care is considered the worst system in the world and that very few Canadians actually seek treatment in America. They say we pay too much and that conservatives are just fear mongering when it comes to how bad Canadian health care is.

Help me out here please.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: astroturfing; britishhealthcare; canadianhealthcare; govhealthcare; nationalhealthcare; socializedmedicine; ukhealthcare; universalhealthcare; wreckinghealthcare
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1 posted on 06/24/2009 6:09:11 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: mockingbyrd

Canadian taxes are comparable to those of NY or Mass. Which is to say very very high.

They have much fewer doctors per person in Canada.

They have much fewer CT and MRI machines in Canada. Remember Lesley Nielsons wife? She died because the hospital she went to didn’t have the equipment to scan her brain and they drove her to the bigger hospital.


2 posted on 06/24/2009 6:13:32 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: mockingbyrd

Have them listen to Mark Steyn and read Dick Morris’ book “Catastrophe” which contains facts and figures on survival rates from cancer - Americans vs Canadians, delays in care, denial of certain drugs, denial or rationing of treatment, age discrimination for patient care, people who come to the US for treatment, “turfing” patients to distance hospitals based on bed count and costs, etc. Also, we subsidize Canada’s national defense which is a cost we bear on their behalf.


3 posted on 06/24/2009 6:14:09 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: mockingbyrd

Click on the key words I put on your thread and find all the info you need to carry on an informative conversation.


4 posted on 06/24/2009 6:14:38 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: mockingbyrd

Ask em if they like having a govt rat tell them what medical procedures they need instead of a doctor.

Oh and the surival rate for cancer is about 16% lower in Canada. Mostly because the govt won’t pay for modern medicines because they are too expensive. The wait for cancer screen in Canada is 18 weeks, hope your cancer waits that long.


5 posted on 06/24/2009 6:15:32 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: mockingbyrd

We’d have to defend them if they were attacked.


6 posted on 06/24/2009 6:16:31 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: mockingbyrd

Key words posted:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/canadianhealthcare/index

Not in Canada, but informative, too:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/britishhealthcare/index
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/ukhealthcare/index

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/govhealthcare/index

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/wreckinghealthcare/index


7 posted on 06/24/2009 6:18:01 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: mockingbyrd
"They say... that conservatives are just fear mongering"

You should react to that baseless, over the top, characterization with appropriate outrage. Really, f them.

Call them America’s hat. Lefty Cs are so insecure they take that as an insult. Then bounce their emails and ignore them the rest of your life.


8 posted on 06/24/2009 6:19:57 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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Ask them how many Americans have crossed the border to obtain superior health care in Canada. <<<< crickets chirpping >>>>. Then ask them how many Canadians come to America for emergency medical treatment because they are on a waiting list in Canada. <<<< crickets chirpping >>>>>. Well, they could actually answer that last question, but they never will admit it.


9 posted on 06/24/2009 6:20:35 PM PDT by Free State Four
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To: SERKIT; mockingbyrd
Have them listen to Mark Steyn

I was going to suggest the same. Steyn was just talking about a lot of this when he was filling in for Rush on Monday. He's probably written an article on it too.

10 posted on 06/24/2009 6:21:44 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: mockingbyrd

You can’t argue with intentional ignorance.


11 posted on 06/24/2009 6:22:17 PM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: mockingbyrd

Aw darn! I have to go for the night.

I am Canadian, and they are full of it.

Go here to start, and get back to me if you need more.

http://secure.cihi.ca/cihiweb/dispPage.jsp?cw_page=news_e
Canadian Institute for Health.


12 posted on 06/24/2009 6:25:37 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: mockingbyrd; Clive; exg; kanawa; backhoe; -YYZ-; Former Proud Canadian; Squawk 8888; ...

13 posted on 06/24/2009 6:26:28 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: driftdiver; y'all

I think you’re referencing Liam Neeson’s wife, Natasha Richardson. And we have lower level hospitals here as well, but there are lots of other reasons why we have superior hc, though.

- we lead the world in hc invoation
- our teaching hospitals are where every foreign doc wants to be
- up to this point, top notch care is rewarded with first rate compensation
-access to the care is much higher here than Canada fr a patient perspective. no honest person will deny it.


14 posted on 06/24/2009 6:27:47 PM PDT by Dysart (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong--Voltaire)
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To: mockingbyrd

Found audio on YouTube of Steyn filling in for Rush talking about government health care. He’s lived in Britain and Canada so he knows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX54Krl_t3Y


15 posted on 06/24/2009 6:30:50 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: mockingbyrd

You don’t have to tell them anything. They’ll figure it out when one of them notices a lump somewhere on their body.


16 posted on 06/24/2009 6:31:42 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Trailer of "33 Minutes", video by Heritage.com - http://www.heritage.org/33-minutes/)
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To: Dysart

Correct, howd I get that wrong. Yes we have lower level hospitals and bad doctors.

If socialized medicine is so good why do people in England have such HORRIBLE teeth.


17 posted on 06/24/2009 6:37:32 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: mockingbyrd

Ask them what their PERSONAL experience has been with accessing health care.

Like our own brainwashed masses, they are probably just regurgitating media bilge.


18 posted on 06/24/2009 6:38:53 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: mockingbyrd

I only grabbed one quick intro-type article from 2006 so you’ll need to research further, but the Cleveland Clinic, Johns Hopkins and the Mayo Clinic compete for Canadian patients. If the system there is so wonderful, why do Canadians need to come to us?

http://aol.mediresource.com/channel_health_news_details.asp?news_id=9528&news_channel_id=2024&channel_id=2024


19 posted on 06/24/2009 6:39:12 PM PDT by JavaJumpy
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To: mockingbyrd

My guess is the individuals you’re chatting with are Obama plants.


20 posted on 06/24/2009 6:41:39 PM PDT by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
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