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Uncle Sam wants youth! [Obama's "civilian national security force" and mandatory community service]
The Denver Post ^ | May 15, 2009 | Mike Rosen

Posted on 06/17/2009 1:10:20 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

At a campaign rally in Colorado Springs last July, that former community organizer, Barack Obama, grandly told an enraptured audience: "We've got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded" as the U.S. military. Now, understand, he wasn't talking about a "security" force in the sense of an armed militia. He was talking about a network of social service workers. When I first heard that, I wrote it off as a politician's extravagant, feel-good campaign rhetoric. After all, the Department of Defense includes about 3 million men and women — active duty, reserves and civilians — and will spend an estimated $675 billion in 2009.

Little did I know he was serious. The first step was the passage of HR 1388, "The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act," originally titled the GIVE (Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education) Act before the Senate renamed it as a tribute to the "Lion of Liberalism." It triples AmeriCorps from 75,000 to 250,000. The second step is HR 1444, not yet passed, which would establish a Congressional Commission on Civic Service. The commission would "address and analyze" the effects on the nation and on those who serve "if all individuals in the United States ... were required to perform a certain amount of national service" and "whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all young people could be developed."

Whoa! It's one thing, out of clear necessity and for purposes of national survival, to have a military draft when our nation is at war (hot or cold). But mandatory community service of up to two years? This is a preposterously intrusive notion and one that is surely unlawful under our Constitution. The Thirteenth Amendment prohibits "involuntary servitude except as a punishment for crime." What crime have these young people committed?

The "audacity" — to use President Obama's favorite expression — of such a sweeping mandate is a direct contradiction of our founding principles as reinforced in the Bill of Rights, which emphatically restricts the powers of government over the lives of individuals. The camel's nose under the tent that has led some people to regard national mandatory community service as respectable public policy is no doubt the imposition of a similar requirement on students as a condition of graduation in our public schools.

What message does that send to American students? That government owns their life? I understand that attendance in school is compulsory but that can be satisfied in a private school or a home school. Should government, then, be allowed to reach into your home or to private schools and mandate involuntary community service for students in those venues?

It's one thing for public schools to dictate how their students spend their time while under their supervision. It's quite another to tell these young citizens how they must spend their own time outside of school. This is social engineering, not academic instruction. There's already too much of that kind of thing in public schools and it's invariably oriented toward the liberal agenda. I'd rather the students spend any additional time, if there's to be some, in the classroom on basic academics.

Whatever the virtues of community service, it's far more rewarding when undertaken voluntarily. The theories and wishes of do-gooder educators notwithstanding, most of the kids I've talked to resent the assignment as just another task that robs them of their leisure time. Many look for the easiest way out and just go through the motions. For them, the psychic benefit ranges from little to negative.

How ironic that forced community service is meted out as a punishment for petty criminals. It's an inappropriate sentence for schoolchildren and would be an outrageous government assault on individual liberty as a national mandate.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 13thamendment; acorn; agenda; americorps; bho44; bhofascism; brownshirts; cnsf; communityorganizer; communityservice; congress; fascism; fubo; give; hr1388; involuntaryservitude; obama; obamabrownshirts; obamayouth
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The young empty headed dope smokers probably didn’t think they’d be the ones rounded up for “community service” when they voted for the zero.


21 posted on 06/17/2009 2:16:10 AM PDT by kenth
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To: DoughtyOne

A surprisingly small numer of terrorists (fewer than 20,000 is the estimate I remember hearing) were able to keep our military tied up for a few years in Iraq.


22 posted on 06/17/2009 2:24:04 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: kenth
The young empty headed dope smokers probably didn’t think they’d be the ones rounded up for “community service” when they voted for the zero.

Exactly, and that is where he'll fail.
He swept the the sheeple into thinking 'Obama Equality, Fairness & Hope' was something that would mean 'peace, love & freedom'.

What the sheeple didn't recognise in the small print was that this also meant no personal freedom, serfdom, invasive tyrannical oversight and hard, unpaid work!

All those college brainwashed sheeple better be ready to get their hands dirty, cos Fuhrer Obama demands it!
23 posted on 06/17/2009 2:32:37 AM PDT by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
civilian national security force... otherwise known as Stool Pigeon Central

America is starting to look more and more like Russia and the Eastern Bloc under the Soviets.

24 posted on 06/17/2009 2:43:00 AM PDT by xtinct ("There's a sucker born every minute." P.T. Barnum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Militant BLACK Obama Youth Group

Obama will get racist black to join his parade at the drop of a hat.

Next, the children of white liberals will join, until they discover while working shoulder to shoulder that the black militants hate them (shocker!)

25 posted on 06/17/2009 2:58:01 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: DoughtyOne
I also know what our military is capable of, and I don’t think the armed private citizens would stand a chance against a president like this.

When I was in the Army, more than 30 years ago, I doubt that Nixon could have gotten away with ordering the military to run completely roughshod over the Constitution. The military revered the concept of civilian control of the military, but only because the civilian leaders derived their authority from the Constitution and the people.

26 posted on 06/17/2009 3:00:28 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (AGWT is very robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it at the 100% confidence level.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Another in a series of unconstitutional actions by the Obama administration. I just wish they'd be honest and admit they've discarded the constitution. The most honest in the Obama admin is that idiot Biden.
27 posted on 06/17/2009 3:05:52 AM PDT by highlander_UW (The only difference between the MSM and the DNC is the MSM sells ad space in their propaganda)
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To: DoughtyOne
Every weapon at the disposal of our military would be used on US citizens in a heartbeat.

Give our guys some credit. I am a veteran. In no way would i have ever followed an order to attack a fellow citizen.
28 posted on 06/17/2009 3:07:27 AM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: rawcatslyentist

At a campaign rally in Colorado Springs last July, that former community organizer, Barack Obama, grandly told an enraptured audience: “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded” as the U.S. military

DUH,we do.Its called the Police.
What Obama was saying is that HE needs a civilian national security force(read Brown Shirts) that HE can use as HE sees fit.


29 posted on 06/17/2009 3:11:50 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: wafflehouse
What concerns me most here is giving these young hot heads (think of the Black Panthers outside the Pennsylvania voting precinct) being given the weapons and training on how to use those weapons the military use, but WITHOUT being taught the discipline the military has. I visualize the Odinga mobs with high powered weapons.
30 posted on 06/17/2009 3:16:07 AM PDT by Humal
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Little did I know he was serious.

The writer is an idiot.

31 posted on 06/17/2009 3:20:27 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Every weapon at the disposal of our military would be used on US citizens in a heartbeat.

Hardly. Our military isn’t composed of automatons but thinking people. They are not isolated from society but work, live and play among the citizenry. We are not divided between “Military” and “civilian” as separate components.

32 posted on 06/17/2009 3:25:14 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: wafflehouse

“Give our guys some credit. I am a veteran. In no way would i have ever followed an order to attack a fellow citizen. “

You wouldn’t be attacking a fellow ‘citizen’, you would be attacking a weapons dealer or a drug dealer. Communists like BO know very well how to use the military to control the people. Sure some would resist but they would be promptly replaced.

Once our Constitution is gone the fall will be swift.


33 posted on 06/17/2009 3:28:23 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Nothing like redefining the meaning of "volunteerism". "The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act" will not be voluntary, it will be paid service.

Just imagine being the director of some large public-service venue (hospital, conference center, City Hall, parks department) and being told that you are going to have hundreds of "volunteers" showing up for their mandatory duty. It will require hiring a whole staff of supervisors (to oversee the work) and clerks (to process the massive paperwork required by the federal program). That's another thing, it will require a massive new federal agency to administer it.

I would hate to see some of the "volunteers" that report for duty. I'm sure they would all be respectful of authority and eager to do the work - Oh, yeah!

34 posted on 06/17/2009 3:32:56 AM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT
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To: 2ndDivisionVet


35 posted on 06/17/2009 3:35:28 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: R. Scott
Our military isn’t composed of automatons but thinking people

But a parallel military comprised of Obama's Basiji would be very different, and would have police powers.

36 posted on 06/17/2009 3:54:41 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Humal

Sounds like a great reason to get some high powered weapons (and training) yourself. Everyone should have at least one (preferably several) high power weapons.


37 posted on 06/17/2009 3:55:54 AM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: driftdiver

Think what you will. There will certainly be some weak fools that will be ‘following orders’ but i expect greater things from those that i served with.


38 posted on 06/17/2009 3:57:11 AM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: wafflehouse

“Think what you will”

I commend you for your optimism and I’m sure there will be cases of what you are talking about.

BO got 50 some % of the people to vote for him. Those same idiots will do anything they are told. Not many of them in the military but there are a lot in law enforcement.

Look at Ruby Ridge, Waco, Pine Ridge Indian Res.


39 posted on 06/17/2009 4:04:12 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DoughtyOne

You give this buffoon in DC way too much credit. I think that the only thing that you can out of this is abject chaos and a revolt. (at least I hope for this idiot to be impeached and the rest of the traitors in DC)


40 posted on 06/17/2009 4:10:13 AM PDT by SERE_DOC (Today's politicians, living proof why we have and need a second amendment to the constitution.)
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