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Divided We Stand (What would California look like broken in three? Or a Republic of New England?)
WSJ ^ | 6/13/09

Posted on 06/12/2009 7:31:29 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Remember that classic Beatles riff of the 1960s: “You say you want a revolution?” Imagine this instead: a devolution. Picture an America that is run not, as now, by a top-heavy Washington autocracy but, in freewheeling style, by an assemblage of largely autonomous regional republics reflecting the eclectic economic and cultural character of the society.

There might be an austere Republic of New England, with a natural strength in higher education and technology; a Caribbean-flavored city-state Republic of Greater Miami, with an anchor in the Latin American economy; and maybe even a Republic of Las Vegas with unfettered license to pursue its ambitions as a global gambling, entertainment and conventioneer destination. California? America’s broke, ill-governed and way-too-big nation-like state might be saved, truly saved, not by an emergency federal bailout, but by a merciful carve-up into a trio of republics that would rely on their own ingenuity in making their connections to the wider world. And while we’re at it, let’s make this project bi-national—economic logic suggests a natural multilingual combination between Greater San Diego and Mexico’s Northern Baja, and, to the Pacific north, between Seattle and Vancouver in a megaregion already dubbed “Cascadia” by economic cartographers.

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To: Windflier

In 1836 Texas claimed that the Rio Grande was its western boundry. In 1841 Governor Lamar sent an expedition to establish control. They got off the Interstate, got lost and wouldn’t ask for directions. The New Mexicans had to go rescue them and take them to Santa Fe. Then they gave them all wedgies and sent them home by way of Mexico City.


61 posted on 06/13/2009 12:24:20 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Borges
That’s pretty depressing.

That's only a fraction of the reality. I didn't want to spend a week typing.

62 posted on 06/13/2009 12:30:30 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: justa-hairyape
The race right now is between the US and China. China was ahead early, but the US has dramatically flown past China in record speed.

George W. Bush was a strong leader. He kept the decline of USA at bay for a decade. If he was able to privatize Social Security, we would probably be okay. But with that ponzi scheme and other new government programs President Obama is adding, we'll unravel quickly in a few decades or even earlier.

63 posted on 06/13/2009 5:12:20 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Borges
Is the Illegals problem pretty bad in San Diego?

Si.

64 posted on 06/13/2009 5:29:05 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obamanation: an imploding administration headed by a clueless schmuck, with McCain as his Kowakian)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Folks,

I am not particularly religious, but I pray to God each day that we can a path to secession (peacefully, if possible). I believe wholeheartedly that this is the only “out” available to us — since our political class has essentially bankrupted us — and the only way in which the vision of the Founding Fathers can yet be redeemed.


65 posted on 06/13/2009 6:00:16 AM PDT by ForeignDude
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To: Windflier

The war with China wont be against China. They are too smart for that. We will be fighting the North Koreans while trying to rescue and preserve the South Koreans. Automatic trip wires are all in place.


66 posted on 06/13/2009 6:59:44 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: MARTIAL MONK

Let’s not forget Glorieta Pass. ;)


67 posted on 06/13/2009 7:07:03 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Spktyr

Obama can have DC......Texas is ours....


68 posted on 06/13/2009 7:49:30 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: ForeignDude
I pray to God each day that we can a path to secession (peacefully, if possible

If even the threat of secession will snap the nation out of its headlong dive into tyranny, it will be worth it.

69 posted on 06/13/2009 7:56:33 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: mamelukesabre
everyone here on this thread needs to recite the pledge of allegiance out loud. Maybe they forgot the part that comes directly after the “under god” part.

...and you may wish to review the Declaration of Independence.

The Right of secession preceeds the Constitution, the United States was born out of secession....

70 posted on 06/13/2009 8:03:13 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty
Obama can have DC......Texas is ours....

Once that happens, DC will become the next Detroit.

71 posted on 06/13/2009 8:49:15 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: pnh102

LOL, it’s only a matter of time before it happens. Texas will need to annex Oklahoma and Louisiana.


72 posted on 06/13/2009 10:23:51 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MARTIAL MONK

So, you’re a New Mexican, I take it?


73 posted on 06/13/2009 10:38:19 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

bttt


74 posted on 06/13/2009 10:40:48 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: justa-hairyape
We will be fighting the North Koreans while trying to rescue and preserve the South Koreans.

I don't think the American people will stand for the gov't to lose another 50,000 lives on the Korean peninsula, fighting South Korea's war for them.

Engagement on our part this time would likely consist of major air assaults and missile strikes.

75 posted on 06/13/2009 10:41:32 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: montomike
I can see that Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Alberta and British Columbia would make a wonderful country.

All the stuff bordering the ocean is hopelessly infested with Marxism.

Of your list, only eastern WA, eastern OR, Idaho, Montana, and Alberta are desirable when you take the inhabitants into account. Maybe some of eastern B.C., after a little deprogramming.

76 posted on 06/13/2009 10:54:34 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: justa-hairyape; Windflier
The problem is that these debt amounts are so large now that countries could easily justify a war against another country that refuses to honor the debt obligation. IMHO that is what we will have if the US, in its current form, walks away from that debt. The Chinese can bleed us dry on the Korean Peninsula. The Russians can bleed us dry in Iraq/Iran. The Saudis can bleed us dry in AfPak. Some people have apparently learned the value of having a little guard dog.

I think we can crush the Saudis, they would not be a match for the French or the UK, even Italy, there are only like 15 million of them but I do agree that Iran and North Korea could be tougher nuts to crack. I think if a war scenario happens over the debts, it could go into an atomic war. The downside is in that case no one will ever be repaid. I always thought maybe we should have a Day of Jubilee where all debts are forgiven, deep down inside, we will never pay it off, it would be like me trying to lift the front end of a 1952 Hudson Hornet. Trouble is, I don't know how we can do it outside of giving the whole world the Middle Finger.
77 posted on 06/13/2009 11:13:51 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama an Anti-Christ? - B.O. Stinks! (Robert Riddle))
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To: Windflier
So, you’re a New Mexican, I take it?

No, but I can sympathize. Mexico on one side and Texas on another. They have to build two fences to keep the riff-raff out.

When I was a youngster bouncin' across the country on different crews I would sometimes find myself in Texas. It ain't a good place to find yourself. There ain't nuthin' to do in Texas. If you do find something to do it's gonna be illegal. And frowned upon.

We'd stand so much of it before we'd get bored and go lookin' for a fight. We'd try to find bigun's or a bunch of 'em sos it would be fair and then we's start razin' until they took a swing.

It wasn't always easy to do. Those good ol' boys don't rile easy. We could insult their mothers, their sisters, their wives or their girlfriends and they'd just grin and drink their beer. You could accuse them of having carnal relations with cows, horses or pigs and they'd heard it all before. Or maybe it was true.

Then we hit on the one thing that worked. If you make fun of the size of their willy, they are up and swinging. Every time.

We had some really good brawls. Knock 'em down and drag 'em out bonecrushers. When everyone was too tired or too hurt to fight anymore we'd all sit down and drink beer with 'em until we could provoke another round. Made some good friends that way. Even if they are Texans.

78 posted on 06/13/2009 3:30:08 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: MARTIAL MONK
There ain't nuthin' to do in Texas. If you do find something to do it's gonna be illegal. And frowned upon.

Texans can spot a foreigner like a hawk spots a field mouse. Usually it's their limp wrists and lightness of shoe... And anything a foreigner does is illegal in Texas...GOT IT!

Grin......Now don't be a comin back!

79 posted on 06/13/2009 4:08:06 PM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: MARTIAL MONK
Made some good friends that way.

Should of been hitting on the women. Ain't nothin like Texas women. They put Kalifornia women to shame. I had a run in with a couple of blond jaguars from Houston. When they get hungry, look out.

80 posted on 06/13/2009 5:22:57 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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