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Deputy Tasers woman, 72, during traffic stop
Assoc. Press ^ | 06/10/2009

Posted on 06/10/2009 9:06:48 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- She dared a deputy constable to shock her with a Taser.

So, he did.

Video released by a Travis County Constable's Office shows Deputy Chris Bieze confronting 72-year-old Kathryn Winkfein after stopping her for speeding on May 11 just outside Austin.

Video from a camera mounted in the deputy's car shows Winkfein cursing and challenging the deputy and even daring him to use the Taser on her.

"You're going to shove me? You're going to shove a 72-year-old woman?" she yelled.

Winkfein told KTBC-TV in Austin that she did nothing to provoke the use of the Taser.

But Precinct 3 Sgt. Maj. Gary Griffin said Bieze used the Taser only after Winkfein became combative.

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To: prismsinc
“He didn’t need to use the taser. He could’ve contained her without it.”

I tend to think Tasers are overused.

On the other hand, though he could have contained her without it, that would have run the risk of the cuts, bruises and broken bones that is inherent in physical conflict. To her I mean.

21 posted on 06/10/2009 9:20:46 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: zerosix

You are wrong.

On so many levels.

It was not Sgt. Maj. Gary Griffin who tazed her.

And yes. Tazing is the safest most effective way to deal with a combative person.

...tazing should NEVER be one in a case like this....

Wrong. it should ALWAYS be one......


22 posted on 06/10/2009 9:20:57 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: txhurl; basil

Tased great grandmother ping.

I heard this played on KLBJ several times the past few days.


23 posted on 06/10/2009 9:21:10 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Jimmy Carter - now the second worst POTUS ever. BHO has #1 spot in his sights.)
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To: umgud

And a taser risks only the injury as she falls. Which can somewhat be mitigated. Wrestling an old body into cuffs risks snapping a bone, tearing thin skin, damaging a shoulder joint permanently, etc,,, wrestling them might appeal to the delicate sensibilitiies of misguided people, but a taser is far safer way to take her into custody.

Not to even mention that it was all her fault anyway.


24 posted on 06/10/2009 9:22:12 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
But Precinct 3 Sgt. Maj. Gary Griffin said Bieze used the Taser only after Winkfein became combative.

Combative?

Are they joking?

25 posted on 06/10/2009 9:22:14 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Responsibility2nd

The old bag deserved what she got.


26 posted on 06/10/2009 9:22:15 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid things happen)
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To: dbwz

I’m not convinced. The taser could’ve given her a heart attack.

Trust me when I tell you, he wanted to use the taser. It’s a rush, and I can’t say I wouldn’t have wanted to watch her squirm if I was in his shoes too.


27 posted on 06/10/2009 9:23:15 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: shooter223

can’t help thinking she could have been subdued without being zapped....

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Bad idea. Very Bad.

Physical subduction will lead to grannie getting hurt. Possibly breaking some bones or even worse.

Tasing is the most effective way to deal with combative individuals.


28 posted on 06/10/2009 9:23:46 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: umgud
it would have been a wrestling match for which he'd be demonized for also.

A wrestling match? lol

Did you see the size of the LEO? Did you see how tiny and frail this old woman was?

Good Lord!

29 posted on 06/10/2009 9:24:06 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Don’t taze me, sonny!”


30 posted on 06/10/2009 9:24:07 AM PDT by twhitak
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To: RC2
Yes, she was pretty vocal but showed no threat to the officer.

She wasn't a threat to the officer. She was a threat to herself.

She kept trying to cross the white line and get back into the traffic lane. Imagine the same video, only it doesn't end with a Tazing, but it ends with her walking out in front of a speeding truck. What would you think of the Officer then?

31 posted on 06/10/2009 9:25:07 AM PDT by gridlock (L'Etat, c'est Barack...)
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To: CGTRWK

The heavily armed cashiers of the open road.

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Maybe so.

But with idiots like foul mouthed grannie around, then who’s to complain?


32 posted on 06/10/2009 9:25:33 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: Responsibility2nd
LOL,, Combative old ladies?

This was a male officer, twice here size.

How in hell can a 72 year old woman not be simply handcuffed by the officer???

Good gawd!

33 posted on 06/10/2009 9:27:16 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: basil

And then if those brawny cops cause her to fall and break a hip?

Or worse?

Physical force in subduing an idiot is far more dangerous than a taser.


34 posted on 06/10/2009 9:27:35 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: Responsibility2nd

good thing she didn’t give him permission to shoot her.


35 posted on 06/10/2009 9:27:44 AM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: gridlock

Are you saying that that officer couldn’t keep her from walking into traffic? Have you seen how big that guy is?


36 posted on 06/10/2009 9:28:27 AM PDT by RC2
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To: shooter223
Saw the video on Fox ...... granny was really belligerent,but the cop was at least twice her size ....... can’t help thinking she could have been subdued without being zapped

I am sure the cop could have had her down on the groud with three legs tied in 8.3 seconds. It's Texas, after all.

But she might not walk real good after that.

Tazering is the humane way to restrain somebody in that situation. It is much less likely to injure them.

37 posted on 06/10/2009 9:28:42 AM PDT by gridlock (L'Etat, c'est Barack...)
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To: Responsibility2nd
"I wasn't argumentative, I was not combative. This is a lie. All of this is a lie, pulled away from him I did not," she said, reading the arrest affidavit.

What, she thinks she's Yoda? "Away put your weapons, I mean you no harm". When I watched the clip on T.V. my gut reaction was the cop over-reacted. After reading this, I'm inclined to side with the officer.

38 posted on 06/10/2009 9:29:01 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

>She dared a deputy constable to shock her with a Taser.
>So, he did.

Dumb on both counts. IMO.


39 posted on 06/10/2009 9:29:15 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
"Here and here. Two places, side by side. It's unreal. It's like an electric shock," she said.

Actually, ma'am, I'm pretty sure it really IS an electric shock.

40 posted on 06/10/2009 9:29:18 AM PDT by Dan Middleton
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