Are Judaism and Christianity as Violent as Islam?

http://www.meforum.org/2159/are-judaism-and-christianity-as-violent-as-islam ^ | Raymond Ibrahim

[Tailgunner Joe]

Atheism is a religious belief that there is no God. There is no way to prove atheism, one must accept it on faith. The existence of God could theoretically be proved, but it can never be disproved.

[hecht]

the greatest genocide was the muslim conquest of India

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

You are completely free.

Wrong.

If you have to be bribed with imaginary things like "paradise" and "hell", you are not free when you make choices.

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

The existence of God could theoretically be proved, but it can never be disproved.

Prove it, and win the world!

[TChris]

Yeah, haven't you seen all those videos of Christian missionaries beheading Muslims? And, of course, it's a crime punishable by death for a Christian to convert to something else...

Pffft. Moral equivalence hogwash.

[rom]

There is a SCHISM between Catholicism and Protestantism. I do not see “Reformed” Hindu churches.

Now, maybe you can consider the Hare Krisnas as a separate religion from Hinduism (and they seem to think so) but I have yet to see the equivalent of a Protestant Hindu Temple.

And from what I’ve been taught, the entire Universe is Maya or an illusion — and that we are merely thoughts in the mind of the Supreme God according to Hinduism. Now perhaps I have to find a copy of the Vedas and borrow my parents’ Bhagavad-Gita, but that concept is what my Hindu friends keep telling me about.

But regardless ... I should not have made this a focus on Hinduism vs. Christianity — so pardon me for this tangent.

As far as the product of Man’s imagination — that’s quite a leap — given that no atheist knows can know the reason or source of the Creation of the Universe.

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

Well, facts are sometimes seen as “hatred”.

[MrB]

“Make me believe”

humorous.

[Tailgunner Joe]

I would challenge you to prove that there is no God, but I know that is impossible by definition. So you believe in something that there is no evidence to support and which can never be proved.

[rom]

I’m a Bible believing Christian — non-denominational. But not Catholic.

And some of us have enough love for our Catholic brothers that we do not call them names. At the core of their religion they see the truth, we just believe that man-made tradition has added to God’s Word. They do not believe in scripture alone.

But I think either tradition would love to have an atheist come to the Lord. Christians rejoice when someone finds the Lord, and not through the cold steel of a blade — but through the brokenness that comes from the realization how how we have rebelled against our Creator who gave us life, and then sacrificed Himself for us even as we continued to spit at Him.

I think therein lies the difference between Islam and Christianity — which I think is where this thread originally started.

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

If you were in the 1100s, you wouldn't have known of Protestants, either, let alone the Post-Enlightenment, Deism-tamed Christianity of today. So let's not make faulty arguments based on an on-going timeline.

Hinduism is not an organized religion. Salvation here is completely up to the individual. It is not a mass-movement, and it was never designed to harvest souls. It is one of the most sincerest idea of a soul being accountable to its Creator, by its own deeds alone. It is not a popularity contest.

But like I said before, all figments of Man's imagination.

No theist knows the origin of his God either. But I can explain it: Man's imagination.

:^)

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

If you sight an oasis in the desert, the onus is upon you to prove that it really exists. It is not upto me to prove that it doesn’t exist.

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

There is a SCHISM between Catholicism and Protestantism.

Hahahaha!

That's a PC-tamed word to describe the ideological antagonism between the two. Ireland continues to burn for this idiocy, to this day. Face it, to one, the other is a heretic or a heathen idolator, respectively.

[Tailgunner Joe]

There is plenty of evidence of God’s existence, and no evidence that He doesn’t exist.

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

For someone to not be able to force himself to believe in imaginary creations does not mean that he rebels against them.

For example, your belief in winged pigs, and my lack of the same, doesn’t mean I hate or rebel against winged pigs.

Your illogic is hilariously faulty.

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

Then prove it. It shouldn’t be hard for you...

Prove it, and win the world!

[rom]

But you see God doesn't need an origin -- he's above Creation. And therefore, the rules of Creation do not apply, much less than the rules I make for the world of a video game apply to me -- the Creator of that world.

And as for Protestantism -- to me it was a movement to restore what the Reformers felt were the ORIGINAL teachings of the Church as we find in the writings of the Apostles.

I would also say that salvation being up to the individual is a selfish thing if you yourself knew the keys to salvation.

But you know -- we can go around and around in our arguments. Since I have some work to do that doesn't involve religion, I'm going to leave with this humorous image:

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

Christianity is not a cafeteria.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Faith is part of my system, but your faith is stronger than mine because you believe in something that can’t possibly ever be proved.

[rom]

I was not clear. All of us rebel against God in that we are incapable of following His commandments. Doesn’t matter if you believe that He exists or not.

We’ve all had anger, we’ve all stolen something, we’ve all lied, etc...

And we all know that those things are wrong.