Posted on 06/07/2009 4:13:34 PM PDT by cycle of discernment
According to the Hawaii Star-Bulletin, the State of Hawaii, Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
And, it's only available in electronic form.
Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.
"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.
Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.
"The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.
Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate."
"The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models," she said.
Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."
She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."
The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign web site a fake.
Asked about that document, Okubo said, "This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate."
Is Ms. Okubo trying to say that Hawaii no longer has a copy of Obama's original birth certificate on file? -- how convenient.
Is Ms. Okubo saying that the previous statement from Hawaii state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino is not true?
"Therefore, I, as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
Why does everyone in Hawaii have a different story?
Maybe Indiana Jones can find Obama's original birth certificate. After all, he found the Ark of the Covenant. COLB 6/7/09
Not at age 5 he wouldn't. If you'll read the law he couldn't voluntarily give up his citizenship until he was 18. And parents could not do it for him.
He could have done so, there is no record he did or did not.
Even if he could have done that while a child under 10, which he could not, there would have been a record of it. Again if you would read the law you would see that any such expatriation has to be done in writing.
He might well have his citizenship back, but NOT as a Natural Born citizen.
He never gave it up in the first place.
It is his IMMIGRATION status that is relevant.
Utter nonsense.
Where is the Indonesian law proving that?
The Indonesian law is irrelvant. Indonesian law can no more strip a U.S. citizen of their citizenship than U.S. law can strip an Indonesian citizen of their's. If it was against the law for Obama to be a dual citizen in Indonesia then it was his Indonesian citizenship that was fraudulent.
Indonesian law can require the relinquishment of it in order to apply for theirs.
U.S. minors cannot give up their citizenship.
Here. Article 2, paragraph 1: "A foreign child of less than 5 years age who is adopted by a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if such an adoption is declared legal by the Pengadilan Negeri at the residence of the person adopting the child." Obama's mother married Soetoro in 1966 or 1967 - the date isn't clear - and moved to Indonesia in 1967. Obama would have been older than 5 when they returned, so Indonesian citizenship was not automatic. He would have had to wait until he was 21.
Ok you win. Go have a beer
Have a nice night.
Thanks for confirming your ignorance is feigned and your hatred of America is genuine.
Thanks for confirming that your ignorance is genuine and your lack of knowledge about the Constitution is complete.
Where Obama is concerned nobody wins.
“It appears possible Chester Arthur, 19th century president, was actually born a few miles inside Canada. If true, nobody cared at the time.”
I see. So I suppose that we shouldn’t care now either, even though this bast*rd behaves EXACTLY like the kind of POTUS that Article II. Sec. I, clause 5 of the constitution was designed to prevent. A POTUS born with a multiplicity of citizenships whose first allegiances seem to be with other than the best interests of the US, and apparently is hell bent upon destroying it’s traditional constitutional forms of governance.....
I say HELL NO and lets expose this lying crypto-marxist demagogue for the counterfeit that he is!!!!
You forgot to tell us where the Constitution distinguishes shit from shinola; and you forgot to tell us why you hate America. Don’t leave us hanging! Leave us a sequitur!
Still running around being a prick to get a rise out of freeprs I see. You little nettles are exposing yourself more and more as obamanoid agitprops.
That makes absolutely no sense since you just confirmed the only two forms of citizenship. And besides, it was a non-binding Senate resolution confirming something that the law already mandated - McCain was a natural born citizen because both his parents were natural born citizens.
Still running around being a prick to get a rise out of freeprs I see.
I owe it all to you and people like you.
McCains citizenship was not in question--the Senate deemed him a citizen without question, a patriot, and the U.S. Senate never addressed McCain as if he were a naturalized citizen, BUT they did consider a third form of citizen, natural born citizen, and made a Senate resolution to address that special designation of the third type of citizen which applies to the presidency.
When it comes to stupid who better than you would know?
McCains citizenship was not in question...
Actually it was. There were lawsuits filed in California, posts on blogs, even threads here on Free Republic if memory serves. Very much like this hoopla over Obama, and using very much the same arguments and tactics. You call me stupid yet your memory if very selective.
...BUT they did consider a third form of citizen, natural born citizen...
A third form? I'll point out yet again that natural born citizen is one of only two forms of citizenship mentioned in the Constitution. If you aren't one then you're the other. You call me stupid and yet you apparently haven't read the Constitution.
A birth certificate will only discount Obama’s upcoming diety announcement ... It will not be released ...
If Obama claims deity status then that solves the whole issue - no birth, no birth certificate.
It reeks of Orwell’s “memory hole,” which he modeled on his observations of the BBC. It’s a little trickier to build them today.
Well then someone should be able to hack in to their computer and get a copy!
OOPS! They probably already did and can’t find it! Oh well.
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