[cripplecreek]

I’m not exactly sure what the story is trying to say.

[null and void]

Ping

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

“It says a “certification of live birth” is, in fact, a short-form official birth certificate. Information included in the document might differ from state to state.”

[fanfan]

How convenient.

[Typical_Whitey]

I would like to Donate 1 million dollars to charity in the name of the Doctor that birthed Obama. No one seems to know exactly who that man is.

[Admin Moderator]

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[motoman]

Story is complete rubbish.

Obama’s ORIGINAL birth records have been sealed by the state of Hawaii. This “Certification of Live Birth” discussed in the article is not a substitute for the original birth certificate which they have on file and are sealed.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=79174

[classified]

Obama was born during the period when Hawaii was issuing Certificates of Live Births. Apparently he is showing a Certification of Live Birth on the FactCheck site which is confusing me. Why not make a copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. He was born during the period when that was what was issued, right?

[Iron Munro]

These Birth-Cert-Truther posts are nonsense!

We all know that this image of Barry's real birth certificate has been available on the internet since well before the inauguration.

[El Gato]

Answer: No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.

This is contradicted by one of the state of Hawaii's own websites, the Hawaiian Home Lands site

The primary documents used to show you are of age and a qualified native Hawaiian are:

* A certified copy of Certificate of Birth;
* A certified copy of Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, including testimonies; or
* A certified copy of Certificate of Delayed Birth.

You will need the certified birth certificates for:

* Yourself
* Your biological father; and
* Your biological mother

The state Department of Health, (DOH), Vital Records Section, records documents by island and district (geographically) and by the date of the event (chronologically).


...
In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

[El Gato]

Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001. "At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.

Funny that non of this was mentioned back when the controversy first erupted. I know Okubo was the spokesperson then, and she didn't mention anything about it. She did imply, falsely, that Obama's birth records were "sealed" on orders from someone above her. But really all Hawaiian birth records are only available to the person themselves, or their parent(s), or descendants, and even the descendants must have good reason, such as incompetence or incapcitation, if the person concerned is still alive.

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/honolulu-star-bulletin/TS7CT6V1C1JVAOLDJ

Strunk v. United States Department of State

To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States or is otherwise ineligible to serve as President of the United States, that allegation is denied.

To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama may be an illegal alien or that President Obama is or ever was a citizen of Indonesia, those allegations are denied.

To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama’s birth certificate has not been released to the public, that allegation is denied. To the extent this paragraph alleges that the birth certificate released to the public at the direction of President Obama is not a valid birth certificate or that such certificate is not sufficient proof of U.S. citizenship, those allegations are denied.

Specifically, Defendants deny that President Obama was born in Kenya or anywhere outside the state of Hawaii.

To the extent this paragraph alleges that Lolo Soetoro is or ever was President Obama’s father by birth or adoption, that allegation is denied. To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama is or ever was a practicing Muslim, that allegation is denied.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/upl...

[FTJM]

The article failed to mention: §338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof. (b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18. (c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1] http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0013.htm §338-17 Late or altered certificate as evidence. The probative value of a “late” or “altered” certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. [L 1949, c 327, §21; RL 1955, §57-20; HRS §338-17; am L 1997, c 305, §4] http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017.htm §338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health. (b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record: (1) The registrant; (2) The spouse of the registrant; (3) A parent of the registrant; (4) A descendant of the registrant; (5) A person having a common ancestor with the registrant; (6) A legal guardian of the registrant; (7) A person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant; (8) A personal representative of the registrant’s estate; (9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;. (10) Adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and who need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child’s natural or legal parents; (11) A person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse in order to determine the payment of alimony; (12) A person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and (13) A person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy. (c) The department may permit the use [of] the data contained in public health statistical records for research purposes only, but no identifying use thereof shall be made. (d) Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public. (e) The department may permit persons working on genealogy projects access to microfilm or other copies of vital records of events that occurred more than seventy-five years prior to the current year. (f) Subject to this section, the department may direct its local agents to make a return upon filing of birth, death, and fetal death certificates with them, of certain data shown to federal, state, territorial, county, or municipal agencies. Payment by these agencies for these services may be made as the department shall direct. (g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is: (1) A person who has a direct and tangible interest in the record but requests a verification in lieu of a certified copy; (2) A governmental agency or organization who for a legitimate government purpose maintains and needs to update official lists of persons in the ordinary course of the agency’s or organization’s activities; (3) A governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks confirmation of a certified copy of any such record submitted in support of or information provided about a vital event relating to any such record and contained in an official application made in the ordinary course of the agency’s or organization’s activities by an individual seeking employment with, entrance to, or the services or products of the agency or organization; (4) A private or government attorney who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record which was acquired during the course of or for purposes of legal proceedings; or (5) An individual employed, endorsed, or sponsored by a governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record in preparation of reports or publications by the agency or organization for research or educational purposes. [L 1949, c 327, §22; RL 1955, §57-21; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; am L 1967, c 30, §2; HRS §338-18; am L 1977, c 118, §1; am L 1991, c 190, §1; am L 1997, c 305, §5; am L 2001, c 246, §2] http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm §338-19 Photostatic or typewritten copies of records. The department of health is authorized to prepare typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies of any records and files in its office, which by reason of age, usage, or otherwise are in such condition that they can no longer be conveniently consulted or used without danger of serious injury or destruction thereof, and to certify to the correctness of such copies. The typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies shall be competent evidence in all courts of the State with like force and effect as the original. [L 1949, c 327, §23; RL 1955, §57-22; am L 1957, c 8, §1; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-19] http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0019.htm Who is Eligible to Apply for the Issuance of a Late Birth Certificate in Lieu of a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth? The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era. http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/hawnbirth.html

[pissant]

This frickin dingbat is covering for Obama and lying through her Gdamn teeth.

[Beckwith]

It’s quite simple to alter an electronic record.

It’s near impossible to alter a 50-year old document.

[Beckwith]

So, this is a LIE?

The statement from Hawaii state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino:

"Therefore, I, as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

[Peter Libra]

To continue further on what information there is on Chester Arthur, a very important question is raised that pertains to the current inquiries. Herewith: To A.P. Hinman, lawyer. Dated January 10th 1881.

Dear Sir. In response to your letter of the 7th instant
the term "natural born citizen," as used in the Constitution
and Statutes of the U.S.,is held to be a native
of the U.S. The naturalization by law of a father before his child
attains the age of twenty-one would be naturalization of such minor.
Yours respectfully. T.F. Bayard.

T.F Bayard was a senator at that time. Though no doubt this will spark rebuttals, it could be argued thus. That in the case of a father NOT being naturalized by law, would therefore render a child, not being a natural born citizen. Barack Obama senior, died a Kenyan subject.

To take up another view however, it could be said that such citizenship is revoked at the age of 21 years, of such child. That could let Barack Obama off the hook. Where that law was enacted I am not with it however.