Posted on 06/06/2009 6:24:20 AM PDT by Zakeet
I'm wary of drawing too many lessons from anonymous message board comments. One could certainly pluck comments from Beliefnet's boards to prove that we harbor either right wing or left wing extremists.
But it's worth perusing the message boards of FreeRepublic, a conservative community, to gauge the general mood of the most hardcore conservatives.
First, quite a few people are saying that murder is wrong, no matter how evil the victim was.
SnakeDoc:
Thou Shalt Not Murder. Both the shooter and the victim will be judged.Patriot preacher:
Pro-lifers should condemn this as antithetical to their philosophy and beliefs. Hopefully, the perpetrator will be apprehended and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I will shed no tears that Teller is gone -- but MURDER is MURDER.
Then a large group is making a more practical argument that this was bad because it will backfire. In fact, a startling large number believe Tiller was murdered by Obama or pro-choice allies in order to justify a crackdown on guns or civil liberties:
upchuck:
This serial-killer piece of excrement will be held up by every abortionist and every lover of abortionists as the reason why the Secret Service needs to be assigned to guard every abortionist,every abortion mill and every lover of abortions in this country.gridlock:
Obama is going to take advantage of this murder to sieze even more control over our society. I would not even put it past them to commit this murder themselves, as an excuse to sieze power. Reichstag Fire, and all that...jazminerose:
Will form the rationalization for really stomping on pro life groups. Was it one of BO's storm troopers who pulled the trigger?
Then there's a large number of people who flat-out applaud the killing. I'm going to print a lot of them because it's really unfair to pluck a few extreme quotes off any websites message boards. What's amazing is the sheer volulme of people thinking this way:
imahawk:
One less nazi as far as I am concerned.Turret Gunner A20:
Hope the guy gets away....Do you think that it would have been murder to assignate Hitler? And don't say that the question has no relevance -- this crud was a leading the killer-of-innocents criminal thugs that has already killed throughout the world far more innocents that Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined. His killer did a great service when noone else would do it.calico_thompson:
Well, at least the perp didn't rip his arms and legs off and then suck his brains out.Gaffer:
No doubt this 'man' is responsible for thousands, maybe tens-of-thousands of needless and wanton deaths. If you think his 'passing' is a bad thing in the cause of speaking out and ending the practice of abortion, I don't know what to tell you. I can only say that I shall not mourn his demise, nor shall I judge others.TheDuke:
But, wasn't this just another late term abortion(?)Slump Tester:
It's too bad the suspect didn't poke a roto rooter through his skull and then suck him into a vacuum cleaner instead of just shooting the bastard.SampleMan:
Whether he will be judged as a murderer by God may be an open question, and none of us know the answer. In 1942 Reinhard Heydrich was killed in Prague in cold blood. Czech commandos committed what was by the law of the land murder. They were from a country that had surrendered and they were not in uniform. They did this because he was orchestrating the destruction of the Czech people. Did they kill a tyrant or commit murder or both? There is also the case of course of John Brown and slavery. Yes we must obey our laws, until we can no longer live with the result of not obeying them.babygene:
killing to prevent a serial killer from claiming his next victim probably doesn't fit into the category of murder...Cheetahcat:
Nothing to see here just his last abortion this one many trimesters Post Birth.Ahithophel:
He will till no more in the bloody garden of evisceration.UnwashedPeasant:
What kind of "church" was this? The Wright kind?steve86:
I guess the allies should not have killed a single Nazi soldier in WWII?eccentric:
It is not murder to kill someone to save someone else's life.353FMG:
The shooter had to kill in order to save the lives of numerous future children. If the shooter is considered a murderer, then so are our brave soldiers. They (the soldiers) have to kill in order to save our lives from the constant threat of terrorism.mrsmel:
It's too bad, when murderers on the left who really did target innocent people are rewarded and lauded. This man Tiller was responsible for the horrific deaths of thousands of innocent babies, and we are supposed to be shame-faced that someone stopped him in his tracks from jabbing scissors into yet another babies' head and sucking their life out.
and from another thread:
Canedawg:
i wouldnt feel too badly if some of the communists in our govt met a similar fate. That doesnt mean i am about to go around killing anyone, but if someone else does the deed, i wont be crying over the tainted blood of treasonous actors and infanticiders.Glenn:
How about rejoicing for all the children this "Doctor" will not murder now?Flintlock:
I tried to get upset about this.
I failed.
My bad, I guess.stockpirate:
God BLESS the man that killed Tiller.
It is time the left started to feel the wrath of conservatives.
There is a time for peace and a time for war.
Jesus said I came not to bring peace but a sword. Those who beat their swords into plows will plow for those who do not.
A people unwilling to use extreme violence to preserve their liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. The two phrases are written over the doors of the Justice Department in DC, "Repression breeds violence" and "Where justice ends, tyranny begins"
Certainly the unborn are suffering under the boot of tyranny and are being repressed by the ungodly.
Rightous men have an obligation to change the wanton murder of the unborn.
A nation that allows the murder of the unborn deserves God's harsh judgement.
and this thread:
Lexington Green:
What goes around...newfreep:
Whatever "church" Tiller attends must be worshipping satan.IDRATHERNOT:
Tiller Shot & Killed? Thousands of unborn children claim self defense.wardaddy:
he reaped what he's sowed same as anyone so evilSloth:
*shrug* Genocide has consequences.The Sons of Liberty:
Shooting was too good for him. Too bad his body wasn't torn to pieces like his victims.
May he burn in hell for eternity.wardaddy:
This guy wa a monster period.
Did you cry when Dahmer got killed in the joint?
Would you worry about Manson?
nothing personal but ya'll are soft as butter.
I make no apologies whatsoever, folks here will be ill prepared for where we're headed.whatisthetruth:
I'm only surprised this didn't happen sooner, couldn't have happened to a better man, IMO.P-Marlowe:
If you TRULY believe that Abortion is murder, then you cannot condemn anyone who would do anything to stop this mass murderer from continuing in his crimes. This is where the rubber meets the road. If you call abortion murder, then this was justifiable homicide. If abortion is not murder, then Tiller was the victim of a heinous crime and his killer should be condemned.mjp:
Sometimes retaliatory force is necessary to stop initiation of force by those who are violating natural rights. Preservation of life and natural rights of the innocent is a natural duty that God requires.tips up:
If the killer just put scissors into his skull, it would be considered a late term abortion (60+ years late) and he would be a hero of the left, rather than a domestic terrorist.gscc:
I suppose if Hitler had been assassinated there would have been many "good" Germans who would have looked at the assassin as a "crazy". Let's face it - this country has lost it's soul. We live in a post-Judeo-Christian nation and it will only go down hill from here. There will certainly be many "good" Americans that lament the passing of this evil man. With a federal government, press and apostate "church" firmly entrenched in liberal secular theology we are witnessing the end of the founder's America.MichiganConservative:
It's abortion in the 272nd tri-mester (ROTFLMAO)
Post-extraction lead-induced termination.
Here's a number for you: one. That is a prolifer I know very well that has given generously to the cause for years, never once voted contrary to the cause, attended protests outside of mills, and even argued for the unborn while perched on numerous bar stools. That one prolifer I know so well, for the first time ever, is wondering just who the hell I'm aligned with after this incident. Maybe from now on I'll just get a new plasma TV with the money that used to go to MCCL. Maybe I'll just worry about my own kids and let you geniuses take over from here.
Good luck with that "kill to stop violence" strategy. It works in well, and is necessary, in real shooting wars. But if you haven't noticed, this isn't one. By acting like it is, and forsaking civilized methods of political action, you hurt the cause tremendously. So go ahead an marinade in your twisted self-righteousness while failing to see past the end of your nose. Just don't complain when the movement languishes and nothing ever changes.
“Women in an irrational emotional state, who do not fully understand the medical and moral reality of what they are doing”
I’m sorry. In this day and age I just don’t believe that.
Exactly. Could not have stated it better myself.
Access to the internet for one thing. And it’s exactly the efforts of the Pro Life and Religious groups that have gotten the information out there.
Screw him, and anyone who thinks his death was some sort of tragedy!
First, you need to ask the question,
Do you have children?
This will significantly change the perspective of anyone that would’ve been on the fence, so to speak.
Really, the opinion of non-parents on abortion is usually wraught with warped relativism. They don’t truly appreciate that the only real reasons to live for are the same reasons one would be willing to die for.
I’ll give you that one.
What about the women who went to him of their own free will? Or are you going to tell me that none of them knew what they were doing?
They are equal pieces of $hit, just as guilty of murder as he is. As such they will have to answer for it to their maker someday.
I take no pleasure and find no joy in posting such a picture.
But I know that most are wholly unaware of the extent of the depravity and sickening gruesome nature of what is going on all around us, over 3,300 times a day.
Like pictures of the holocaust, which are also very graphic and gruesome and not easy at all to view...but like those pictures wipe away any and all apologist rationalization of the holocaust by Nazi Germany, these pictures also wipe away all rationalization and PC speak about this gruesome genocide of the unborn.
God grant that more people will see the graphic truth of this depraved holocaust and as a result develop the iron will necessary to stand against it...because that is what it will take.
Every day we try and rationally discuss things with depraved killers, who use every PC slogan in the book to counter our words...another 3,3000 innocents die...and die horribly.
God's blessings to you and yours and to all who stand against this horror in whatever way they deem best.
THE GRUESOME TRUTH OF THE ABORTION HOLOCAUST & THE DEATH OF DR. TILLER [Warning: A graphic photo of death & dismemberment]
“It is the grimmest of ironies that one of the most savage, barbaric acts of evil in history began in one of the most modernized societies of its time, where so many markers of human progress became tools of human depravity: science that can heal, used to kill; education that can enlighten, used to rationalize away basic moral impulses; the bureaucracy that sustains modern life, used as the machinery of mass death, a ruthless, chillingly efficient system where many were responsible for the killing, but few got actual blood on their hands.”–Barack Obama April 24, 2009, Holocaust Remebernce Day, Chicago Sun Times.
Such Christians must be spiritually blind. Or so it seems to me. For they hold Tiller's and Roeder's acts as "morally equivalent." It seems their "judgment" is by some one-size-fits-all doctrine that doesn't strike me as particularly biblical. Where is our charity towards our neighbor who, as Alamo-Girl reminds us, is innocent until proven guilty? JMHO FWIW
It seems they want so much to distance themselves from Mr. Roeder. I gather this is because they want so much to be seen as morally pure on this contentious issue. But that's just a speculation.
Thank you ever so much, P-Marlowe, for your outstanding reply to the editor at BelieveNot!
“As such they will have to answer for it to their maker someday.”
Of that I have no doubt.
That precious little baby was probably REALLY offended by what happened to him/her, it looked like that baby had it's mouth open during the process and screaming. Probably was.
How long will GOD put up with the perverse generation? Pray for our Lord's quick return.
Which ones are?
And if the ones that Tiller was doing were, in fact, "murder", then by saying so, are you not fueling the fire for the next assassin?
Are you willing to call partial birth abortions and late term abortions "murder" and accept the personal responsibility for fueling the fire inside the heart and mind of the next Roeder?
Or are you going to tone down the rhetoric and limit yourself to such platitudes as: "well, I think abortion is wrong for me, I personally wouldn't have an abortion, but...."?
Obama couldn’t even order a pizza let alone a hit.
No, it was the job of the Kansas Governor and AG, whose corruption of the judicial process made further violence inevitable.
Tiller................ 60,000
Buchenwald.... 56,000
Dachau............ 36,000
Ted Bundy..............35
Roeder ......................1
Generally, vigilante justice is not considered to be a just war.
"Generally".
"Generally," one murder is enough to cause a man to forfeit his right to live.
Is abortion "murder"?
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