[Minn]

Where are the numbers?

Here's a number for you: one. That is a prolifer I know very well that has given generously to the cause for years, never once voted contrary to the cause, attended protests outside of mills, and even argued for the unborn while perched on numerous bar stools. That one prolifer I know so well, for the first time ever, is wondering just who the hell I'm aligned with after this incident. Maybe from now on I'll just get a new plasma TV with the money that used to go to MCCL. Maybe I'll just worry about my own kids and let you geniuses take over from here.

Good luck with that "kill to stop violence" strategy. It works in well, and is necessary, in real shooting wars. But if you haven't noticed, this isn't one. By acting like it is, and forsaking civilized methods of political action, you hurt the cause tremendously. So go ahead an marinade in your twisted self-righteousness while failing to see past the end of your nose. Just don't complain when the movement languishes and nothing ever changes.

[Shaun_MD]

Exactly. Could not have stated it better myself.

[bdeaner]

Good luck with that "kill to stop violence" strategy.

Well, I would challenge you to find anywhere where I have advocated a "kill to stop violence" strategy. I condemned Tiller's killer, whether that be Roeder or whomever.

At the same time, is it important to realize this: Although this was not the time and place, there is a time for war -- a just war. This just isn't the time. Sometimes--but not this time--violence is the answer to killing.

Remember WWII? Remember the Civil War? Don't you believe those were just wars? I do. I'm not saying it is time for WWII or Civil War. But at what point would it be time? That is a murky issue, isn't it?

[bdeaner]

Here's a number for you: one.

That's anecdotal evidence. I'm looking for actual, empirical, un-biased evidence.

Based on how you have responded on this thread, heck, you are probably the one motivating this person to backtrack on the issue.

Give me 15 minutes with this person, and they will walk away thinking again. Seriously.