Posted on 06/06/2009 6:24:20 AM PDT by Zakeet
I'm wary of drawing too many lessons from anonymous message board comments. One could certainly pluck comments from Beliefnet's boards to prove that we harbor either right wing or left wing extremists.
But it's worth perusing the message boards of FreeRepublic, a conservative community, to gauge the general mood of the most hardcore conservatives.
First, quite a few people are saying that murder is wrong, no matter how evil the victim was.
SnakeDoc:
Thou Shalt Not Murder. Both the shooter and the victim will be judged.Patriot preacher:
Pro-lifers should condemn this as antithetical to their philosophy and beliefs. Hopefully, the perpetrator will be apprehended and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I will shed no tears that Teller is gone -- but MURDER is MURDER.
Then a large group is making a more practical argument that this was bad because it will backfire. In fact, a startling large number believe Tiller was murdered by Obama or pro-choice allies in order to justify a crackdown on guns or civil liberties:
upchuck:
This serial-killer piece of excrement will be held up by every abortionist and every lover of abortionists as the reason why the Secret Service needs to be assigned to guard every abortionist,every abortion mill and every lover of abortions in this country.gridlock:
Obama is going to take advantage of this murder to sieze even more control over our society. I would not even put it past them to commit this murder themselves, as an excuse to sieze power. Reichstag Fire, and all that...jazminerose:
Will form the rationalization for really stomping on pro life groups. Was it one of BO's storm troopers who pulled the trigger?
Then there's a large number of people who flat-out applaud the killing. I'm going to print a lot of them because it's really unfair to pluck a few extreme quotes off any websites message boards. What's amazing is the sheer volulme of people thinking this way:
imahawk:
One less nazi as far as I am concerned.Turret Gunner A20:
Hope the guy gets away....Do you think that it would have been murder to assignate Hitler? And don't say that the question has no relevance -- this crud was a leading the killer-of-innocents criminal thugs that has already killed throughout the world far more innocents that Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined. His killer did a great service when noone else would do it.calico_thompson:
Well, at least the perp didn't rip his arms and legs off and then suck his brains out.Gaffer:
No doubt this 'man' is responsible for thousands, maybe tens-of-thousands of needless and wanton deaths. If you think his 'passing' is a bad thing in the cause of speaking out and ending the practice of abortion, I don't know what to tell you. I can only say that I shall not mourn his demise, nor shall I judge others.TheDuke:
But, wasn't this just another late term abortion(?)Slump Tester:
It's too bad the suspect didn't poke a roto rooter through his skull and then suck him into a vacuum cleaner instead of just shooting the bastard.SampleMan:
Whether he will be judged as a murderer by God may be an open question, and none of us know the answer. In 1942 Reinhard Heydrich was killed in Prague in cold blood. Czech commandos committed what was by the law of the land murder. They were from a country that had surrendered and they were not in uniform. They did this because he was orchestrating the destruction of the Czech people. Did they kill a tyrant or commit murder or both? There is also the case of course of John Brown and slavery. Yes we must obey our laws, until we can no longer live with the result of not obeying them.babygene:
killing to prevent a serial killer from claiming his next victim probably doesn't fit into the category of murder...Cheetahcat:
Nothing to see here just his last abortion this one many trimesters Post Birth.Ahithophel:
He will till no more in the bloody garden of evisceration.UnwashedPeasant:
What kind of "church" was this? The Wright kind?steve86:
I guess the allies should not have killed a single Nazi soldier in WWII?eccentric:
It is not murder to kill someone to save someone else's life.353FMG:
The shooter had to kill in order to save the lives of numerous future children. If the shooter is considered a murderer, then so are our brave soldiers. They (the soldiers) have to kill in order to save our lives from the constant threat of terrorism.mrsmel:
It's too bad, when murderers on the left who really did target innocent people are rewarded and lauded. This man Tiller was responsible for the horrific deaths of thousands of innocent babies, and we are supposed to be shame-faced that someone stopped him in his tracks from jabbing scissors into yet another babies' head and sucking their life out.
and from another thread:
Canedawg:
i wouldnt feel too badly if some of the communists in our govt met a similar fate. That doesnt mean i am about to go around killing anyone, but if someone else does the deed, i wont be crying over the tainted blood of treasonous actors and infanticiders.Glenn:
How about rejoicing for all the children this "Doctor" will not murder now?Flintlock:
I tried to get upset about this.
I failed.
My bad, I guess.stockpirate:
God BLESS the man that killed Tiller.
It is time the left started to feel the wrath of conservatives.
There is a time for peace and a time for war.
Jesus said I came not to bring peace but a sword. Those who beat their swords into plows will plow for those who do not.
A people unwilling to use extreme violence to preserve their liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. The two phrases are written over the doors of the Justice Department in DC, "Repression breeds violence" and "Where justice ends, tyranny begins"
Certainly the unborn are suffering under the boot of tyranny and are being repressed by the ungodly.
Rightous men have an obligation to change the wanton murder of the unborn.
A nation that allows the murder of the unborn deserves God's harsh judgement.
and this thread:
Lexington Green:
What goes around...newfreep:
Whatever "church" Tiller attends must be worshipping satan.IDRATHERNOT:
Tiller Shot & Killed? Thousands of unborn children claim self defense.wardaddy:
he reaped what he's sowed same as anyone so evilSloth:
*shrug* Genocide has consequences.The Sons of Liberty:
Shooting was too good for him. Too bad his body wasn't torn to pieces like his victims.
May he burn in hell for eternity.wardaddy:
This guy wa a monster period.
Did you cry when Dahmer got killed in the joint?
Would you worry about Manson?
nothing personal but ya'll are soft as butter.
I make no apologies whatsoever, folks here will be ill prepared for where we're headed.whatisthetruth:
I'm only surprised this didn't happen sooner, couldn't have happened to a better man, IMO.P-Marlowe:
If you TRULY believe that Abortion is murder, then you cannot condemn anyone who would do anything to stop this mass murderer from continuing in his crimes. This is where the rubber meets the road. If you call abortion murder, then this was justifiable homicide. If abortion is not murder, then Tiller was the victim of a heinous crime and his killer should be condemned.mjp:
Sometimes retaliatory force is necessary to stop initiation of force by those who are violating natural rights. Preservation of life and natural rights of the innocent is a natural duty that God requires.tips up:
If the killer just put scissors into his skull, it would be considered a late term abortion (60+ years late) and he would be a hero of the left, rather than a domestic terrorist.gscc:
I suppose if Hitler had been assassinated there would have been many "good" Germans who would have looked at the assassin as a "crazy". Let's face it - this country has lost it's soul. We live in a post-Judeo-Christian nation and it will only go down hill from here. There will certainly be many "good" Americans that lament the passing of this evil man. With a federal government, press and apostate "church" firmly entrenched in liberal secular theology we are witnessing the end of the founder's America.MichiganConservative:
It's abortion in the 272nd tri-mester (ROTFLMAO)
Post-extraction lead-induced termination.
As I stated at the top of my post, I DON’T ADVOCATE VIGILANTISM
I agree we can’t let the leftist media box us in or define us. But there are absolutes in life and human rights are at the core. Without that core, nothing else will matter.
Time to take our medicine eh! (wink-wink)
Tiller-Killer abortions are always evil. Financial transactions may or may not be. This is pretty lame.
And neither would I, short of a social breakdown of a magnitude that requires the people to resist the renegade government by force of arms.
And a nut like Roeder should have been in a nut house, not out looking for something to get enraged at.
That always screws up an argument.
No. I'm pointing out how you and Churchill can both find a way to justify murder and terrorism, as long as you don't like the victim. In both cases, it's vile. And in both cases, extremely unhelpful to the the cause you are ostensibly promoting.
If only it were this one issue. Of course I don’t believe Jim is running a forum advocating murder. If I did, I would not be here now. I’m just getting really turned off by what I’m seeing on a wide range of issues here and the way some people are conducting themselves.
Virtually all of this philosophical difference can be resolved by acknowledging a sovereign God who steers events, even the things that the very devil endeavors to do, as He wants. This is how Tiller’s death by bullet can be poetic justice and Roeder’s squeezing of the trigger an abomination, at the very same time.
Killing a few Nazi soldiers on D-day didn't end the holocaust. A better analogy would be killing one gas chamber operator didn't end it, another took his place. Someone will take Tiller's place.
The way it ends is with the restoration of civilization including all the protections of the law to everyone. Sometimes that requires a war and great sacrifice. Sometimes it's a political battle. I don't see how this one is anything but political.
We are loaded down with trolls and other left wing people trying to bring us down. Run now and you are serving their purpose. Do you really think the most radical statements made on FR are NOT the work of left wing retards trying to get the statements into print to be used against the most conservative site on the Internet? Then you are deluding yourself. If you quit you are letting them run your life. Fight back against the ones making statements you don’t like. Jim Rob and the administrators are banning people pretty fast but they can’t get all the leftards off, it is just impossible to do so.
I’m not your buddy, and pictures like this do not constructively contribute to the argument anymore than pictures of any crime do. I’ve seen more people turned off to prolifers because of these sorts of pictures than I’ve seen abortionists converted. If you can point to an article were someone saw these sorts of pictures and went OH MAN, ABORTION IS NOW MURDER, I’VE SEEN THE LIGHT, please do so, I would like to read it. As it stands, the only people that I have seen convinced of their effectiveness are the same people that just can’t wait to post them. And I am talking about convincing people in the real world, not on some ultra right or left message board. No matter the intention of the photo, the result invariably is to shock, not to educate. That is what I am most concerned about. Of course there are people that are going to think that shocking others is the most effective argument, and I disagree. You run the risk of a backlash from the people you are attempting to convert, and that is counterproductive when you are trying to save the lives of unborn children.
Unlike being a run of the mill concentration camp guard, which was a duty acceptable to many Germans to carry out, Killer-Tiller abortions are horribly unpopular among abortionists. And it isn’t just the danger of being killed by a nut.
Regarding my post #130: 3rd paragraph: Briticism????? make that criticism. (fingers bad)
We were taught to just step over the bodies and enjoy the stories.
Same here. I know what Tiller's occupation was and didn't approve of it and want to fix our legal system so that it is vigorously and successfully suppressed and eliminated.
On the other hand I didn't know Tiller personally, and frankly don't care one way or the other what happened to him.
He appears to have been shot in church ~ which is undoubtedly a surprise to his friends and his enemies.
Imagine that, a late term abortionist, a mass murderer, sitting in church on Sunday ~ it is to wonder!
You just never know who's in the next pew eh!
Can’t argue with you there. I’m just wary of those who would claim to act in God’s place to take life.
If I stand up to a bully I risk provoking his rage.
And that’s a risk worth taking if I have any courage at all.
Churchill hates capitalist swine. You (and I) hate abortionist swine. Churchill and you both cheer when those you hate are murdered to further a political cause. I don’t. You tell me, other than the fact that capitalists aren’t swine and abortionists are, what makes you different than him when it comes to being terrorist sympathizers?
Killing a whole huge bunch of Nazis ended the killing. We could have waited a year and used nukes on Germany though.
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