Posted on 06/06/2009 6:24:20 AM PDT by Zakeet
I'm wary of drawing too many lessons from anonymous message board comments. One could certainly pluck comments from Beliefnet's boards to prove that we harbor either right wing or left wing extremists.
But it's worth perusing the message boards of FreeRepublic, a conservative community, to gauge the general mood of the most hardcore conservatives.
First, quite a few people are saying that murder is wrong, no matter how evil the victim was.
SnakeDoc:
Thou Shalt Not Murder. Both the shooter and the victim will be judged.Patriot preacher:
Pro-lifers should condemn this as antithetical to their philosophy and beliefs. Hopefully, the perpetrator will be apprehended and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I will shed no tears that Teller is gone -- but MURDER is MURDER.
Then a large group is making a more practical argument that this was bad because it will backfire. In fact, a startling large number believe Tiller was murdered by Obama or pro-choice allies in order to justify a crackdown on guns or civil liberties:
upchuck:
This serial-killer piece of excrement will be held up by every abortionist and every lover of abortionists as the reason why the Secret Service needs to be assigned to guard every abortionist,every abortion mill and every lover of abortions in this country.gridlock:
Obama is going to take advantage of this murder to sieze even more control over our society. I would not even put it past them to commit this murder themselves, as an excuse to sieze power. Reichstag Fire, and all that...jazminerose:
Will form the rationalization for really stomping on pro life groups. Was it one of BO's storm troopers who pulled the trigger?
Then there's a large number of people who flat-out applaud the killing. I'm going to print a lot of them because it's really unfair to pluck a few extreme quotes off any websites message boards. What's amazing is the sheer volulme of people thinking this way:
imahawk:
One less nazi as far as I am concerned.Turret Gunner A20:
Hope the guy gets away....Do you think that it would have been murder to assignate Hitler? And don't say that the question has no relevance -- this crud was a leading the killer-of-innocents criminal thugs that has already killed throughout the world far more innocents that Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined. His killer did a great service when noone else would do it.calico_thompson:
Well, at least the perp didn't rip his arms and legs off and then suck his brains out.Gaffer:
No doubt this 'man' is responsible for thousands, maybe tens-of-thousands of needless and wanton deaths. If you think his 'passing' is a bad thing in the cause of speaking out and ending the practice of abortion, I don't know what to tell you. I can only say that I shall not mourn his demise, nor shall I judge others.TheDuke:
But, wasn't this just another late term abortion(?)Slump Tester:
It's too bad the suspect didn't poke a roto rooter through his skull and then suck him into a vacuum cleaner instead of just shooting the bastard.SampleMan:
Whether he will be judged as a murderer by God may be an open question, and none of us know the answer. In 1942 Reinhard Heydrich was killed in Prague in cold blood. Czech commandos committed what was by the law of the land murder. They were from a country that had surrendered and they were not in uniform. They did this because he was orchestrating the destruction of the Czech people. Did they kill a tyrant or commit murder or both? There is also the case of course of John Brown and slavery. Yes we must obey our laws, until we can no longer live with the result of not obeying them.babygene:
killing to prevent a serial killer from claiming his next victim probably doesn't fit into the category of murder...Cheetahcat:
Nothing to see here just his last abortion this one many trimesters Post Birth.Ahithophel:
He will till no more in the bloody garden of evisceration.UnwashedPeasant:
What kind of "church" was this? The Wright kind?steve86:
I guess the allies should not have killed a single Nazi soldier in WWII?eccentric:
It is not murder to kill someone to save someone else's life.353FMG:
The shooter had to kill in order to save the lives of numerous future children. If the shooter is considered a murderer, then so are our brave soldiers. They (the soldiers) have to kill in order to save our lives from the constant threat of terrorism.mrsmel:
It's too bad, when murderers on the left who really did target innocent people are rewarded and lauded. This man Tiller was responsible for the horrific deaths of thousands of innocent babies, and we are supposed to be shame-faced that someone stopped him in his tracks from jabbing scissors into yet another babies' head and sucking their life out.
and from another thread:
Canedawg:
i wouldnt feel too badly if some of the communists in our govt met a similar fate. That doesnt mean i am about to go around killing anyone, but if someone else does the deed, i wont be crying over the tainted blood of treasonous actors and infanticiders.Glenn:
How about rejoicing for all the children this "Doctor" will not murder now?Flintlock:
I tried to get upset about this.
I failed.
My bad, I guess.stockpirate:
God BLESS the man that killed Tiller.
It is time the left started to feel the wrath of conservatives.
There is a time for peace and a time for war.
Jesus said I came not to bring peace but a sword. Those who beat their swords into plows will plow for those who do not.
A people unwilling to use extreme violence to preserve their liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. The two phrases are written over the doors of the Justice Department in DC, "Repression breeds violence" and "Where justice ends, tyranny begins"
Certainly the unborn are suffering under the boot of tyranny and are being repressed by the ungodly.
Rightous men have an obligation to change the wanton murder of the unborn.
A nation that allows the murder of the unborn deserves God's harsh judgement.
and this thread:
Lexington Green:
What goes around...newfreep:
Whatever "church" Tiller attends must be worshipping satan.IDRATHERNOT:
Tiller Shot & Killed? Thousands of unborn children claim self defense.wardaddy:
he reaped what he's sowed same as anyone so evilSloth:
*shrug* Genocide has consequences.The Sons of Liberty:
Shooting was too good for him. Too bad his body wasn't torn to pieces like his victims.
May he burn in hell for eternity.wardaddy:
This guy wa a monster period.
Did you cry when Dahmer got killed in the joint?
Would you worry about Manson?
nothing personal but ya'll are soft as butter.
I make no apologies whatsoever, folks here will be ill prepared for where we're headed.whatisthetruth:
I'm only surprised this didn't happen sooner, couldn't have happened to a better man, IMO.P-Marlowe:
If you TRULY believe that Abortion is murder, then you cannot condemn anyone who would do anything to stop this mass murderer from continuing in his crimes. This is where the rubber meets the road. If you call abortion murder, then this was justifiable homicide. If abortion is not murder, then Tiller was the victim of a heinous crime and his killer should be condemned.mjp:
Sometimes retaliatory force is necessary to stop initiation of force by those who are violating natural rights. Preservation of life and natural rights of the innocent is a natural duty that God requires.tips up:
If the killer just put scissors into his skull, it would be considered a late term abortion (60+ years late) and he would be a hero of the left, rather than a domestic terrorist.gscc:
I suppose if Hitler had been assassinated there would have been many "good" Germans who would have looked at the assassin as a "crazy". Let's face it - this country has lost it's soul. We live in a post-Judeo-Christian nation and it will only go down hill from here. There will certainly be many "good" Americans that lament the passing of this evil man. With a federal government, press and apostate "church" firmly entrenched in liberal secular theology we are witnessing the end of the founder's America.MichiganConservative:
It's abortion in the 272nd tri-mester (ROTFLMAO)
Post-extraction lead-induced termination.
How's that?
Word on the internet is KTill got $5000 per abortion. Even if this number is high KTill got in the thousands. I understand first term abortions to be in the $400 range
His business was so lucrative a new abortionist is stepping into his shoes next week
The Luthern church is pretty liberal.
It wasn’t his place to dispense summary justice.
Although both are murderous, there is no moral equivalency here. The difference goes to magnitude and type.
Tiller performed some 60,000 partial birth abortions for $5,000 each and offered extra services such as photographs of the mother with her freshly terminated baby.
Roeder, presuming he pleads or is found guilty, did not profit from his deed or treat his body like a trophy as Tiller did or as Islamicists are wont to do when they behead an infidel.
Roeder, like every person under our Constitution, is innocent until proven guilty.
Certainly the end does not justify the means, but I doubt a jury, if fully informed, could hand down a first degree murder verdict. If the prosecution doesn't give them a lesser option like voluntary manslaughter, I look for Roeder to be acquitted despite the evidence like O.J.
Wow. No that doesn’t make the Pro Life Movement look bad.
As a matter of act, speaking of poetic justice, after I read some of those late-abortion jokes that were angrily quoted by this liberal nerd, I suddenly had an idea for a cartoon.
Tiller is seen sticking his forceps into the back of a baby’s skull, as the baby emerges from his mother’s womb. Behind Tiller, a huge arm holding a forceps emerges from a cloud and approaches the back of Tiller’s head.
A reversal of the Sistine Chapel ceiling.
Or to put a finer point on it, disagreed with how his killer came to kill him. Getting a bullet was poetic justice even if delivering the bullet was not human justice.
I do not like seeing the Holocaust pics either, but they are necessary as well to remember to never let it happen again.
If these pictures reaches just ONE uninformed person or person who may be thinking of an abortion, who may be lurking here, it is worth all your efforts and Briticisms you will endure.
Thanks and God Bless, keep spreading the word, everywhere you can.
To you pro-abortion freaks, just think that little baby could have grown up to be a Democrat, or another abortionist, or homosexual, or any kind of pervert that is of your ILK party. Look what you have lost!!!!!! If you would just let these babies live, you would not have to have the likes of ACORN to manufacture voters, you people are just plain insane, you kill your own.
Yeah, it should have been a long drawn out affair :-)
The Leftwingtards have got to get this straight through their heads ~ setting things right is taking a long time but eventually it will happen. If they attempt to resist violently they will be dealt with violently.
They will be made to stop killing children. End of story.
What he thought his place to be was obviously at some odds with the established order.
If this is as lucrative as you say it is, then we need to start a petition that we need to make a monument to memorialize Richard Kuklinski.
A statue to be erected in his honor in the heart of NYC.
At least Kuklinski murdered those that deserved to die.
It would be gray if it were my child murdered by Tiller. I could easily envision tracking him down and murdering him, but it would still be murder.
They are crazy. They are proving Darwin better than any evolutionist could. If one looked at the numbers in the same way that liberals look at other racially broken down figures, one would have to conclude that abortion was racist.
Don't like the views of some FReepers? Neither do I, but I choose to stay on a the forum because my beliefs are mine and until Jim Rob says that he is forming a killing squad for abortionists then I will give him the benefit of the doubt that this forum is NOT for murdering abortionist.
If you quit then you are saying you do believe Jim Rob is running a forum that advocates murder, which is not true, so therefore I said bye bye, if you feel that way then indeed you should leave.
As for those in the World Trade Center... Well, really, let's get a grip here, shall we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break. They formed a technocratic corps at the very heart of America's global financial empire - the "mighty engine of profit" to which the military dimension of U.S. policy has always been enslaved - and they did so both willingly and knowingly. Recourse to "ignorance" - a derivative, after all, of the word "ignore" - counts as less than an excuse among this relatively well-educated elite. To the extent that any of them were unaware of the costs and consequences to others of what they were involved in - and in many cases excelling at - it was because of their absolute refusal to see. More likely, it was because they were too busy braying, incessantly and self-importantly, into their cell phones, arranging power lunches and stock transactions, each of which translated, conveniently out of sight, mind and smelling distance, into the starved and rotting flesh of infants. If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers, I'd really be interested in hearing about it.
Ward Churchill, terrorist sympathizer.
Can you not see the double standard here? I’m against abortion but I’m not going to bring anyone to my cause by slaughtering those who disagree with me. I cannot be Pro Life and advocate murder and expect ANYONE to take me seriously.
I’m sorry, did I say “abortion doctors”?
Silly me. I meant to say “abortion butchers”
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