Did Obama Order George Tiller's Murder? (Article about FreeRepublic Alert)

Bliefnet ^ | June 1, 2009 | Steven Waldman

[Zakeet]

I'm wary of drawing too many lessons from anonymous message board comments. One could certainly pluck comments from Beliefnet's boards to prove that we harbor either right wing or left wing extremists.

But it's worth perusing the message boards of FreeRepublic, a conservative community, to gauge the general mood of the most hardcore conservatives.

First, quite a few people are saying that murder is wrong, no matter how evil the victim was.

SnakeDoc:
Thou Shalt Not Murder. Both the shooter and the victim will be judged.

Patriot preacher:
Pro-lifers should condemn this as antithetical to their philosophy and beliefs. Hopefully, the perpetrator will be apprehended and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I will shed no tears that Teller is gone -- but MURDER is MURDER.

Then a large group is making a more practical argument that this was bad because it will backfire. In fact, a startling large number believe Tiller was murdered by Obama or pro-choice allies in order to justify a crackdown on guns or civil liberties:

upchuck:
This serial-killer piece of excrement will be held up by every abortionist and every lover of abortionists as the reason why the Secret Service needs to be assigned to guard every abortionist,every abortion mill and every lover of abortions in this country.

gridlock:
Obama is going to take advantage of this murder to sieze even more control over our society. I would not even put it past them to commit this murder themselves, as an excuse to sieze power. Reichstag Fire, and all that...

jazminerose:
Will form the rationalization for really stomping on pro life groups. Was it one of BO's storm troopers who pulled the trigger?

Then there's a large number of people who flat-out applaud the killing. I'm going to print a lot of them because it's really unfair to pluck a few extreme quotes off any websites message boards. What's amazing is the sheer volulme of people thinking this way:

imahawk:
One less nazi as far as I am concerned.

Turret Gunner A20:
Hope the guy gets away....Do you think that it would have been murder to assignate Hitler? And don't say that the question has no relevance -- this crud was a leading the killer-of-innocents criminal thugs that has already killed throughout the world far more innocents that Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined. His killer did a great service when noone else would do it.

calico_thompson:
Well, at least the perp didn't rip his arms and legs off and then suck his brains out.

Gaffer:
No doubt this 'man' is responsible for thousands, maybe tens-of-thousands of needless and wanton deaths. If you think his 'passing' is a bad thing in the cause of speaking out and ending the practice of abortion, I don't know what to tell you. I can only say that I shall not mourn his demise, nor shall I judge others.

TheDuke:
But, wasn't this just another late term abortion(?)

Slump Tester:
It's too bad the suspect didn't poke a roto rooter through his skull and then suck him into a vacuum cleaner instead of just shooting the bastard.

SampleMan:
Whether he will be judged as a murderer by God may be an open question, and none of us know the answer. In 1942 Reinhard Heydrich was killed in Prague in cold blood. Czech commandos committed what was by the law of the land murder. They were from a country that had surrendered and they were not in uniform. They did this because he was orchestrating the destruction of the Czech people. Did they kill a tyrant or commit murder or both? There is also the case of course of John Brown and slavery. Yes we must obey our laws, until we can no longer live with the result of not obeying them.

babygene:
killing to prevent a serial killer from claiming his next victim probably doesn't fit into the category of murder...

Cheetahcat:
Nothing to see here just his last abortion this one many trimesters Post Birth.

Ahithophel:
He will till no more in the bloody garden of evisceration.

UnwashedPeasant:
What kind of "church" was this? The Wright kind?

steve86:
I guess the allies should not have killed a single Nazi soldier in WWII?

eccentric:
It is not murder to kill someone to save someone else's life.

353FMG:
The shooter had to kill in order to save the lives of numerous future children. If the shooter is considered a murderer, then so are our brave soldiers. They (the soldiers) have to kill in order to save our lives from the constant threat of terrorism.

mrsmel:
It's too bad, when murderers on the left who really did target innocent people are rewarded and lauded. This man Tiller was responsible for the horrific deaths of thousands of innocent babies, and we are supposed to be shame-faced that someone stopped him in his tracks from jabbing scissors into yet another babies' head and sucking their life out.

and from another thread:

Canedawg:
i wouldnt feel too badly if some of the communists in our govt met a similar fate. That doesnt mean i am about to go around killing anyone, but if someone else does the deed, i wont be crying over the tainted blood of treasonous actors and infanticiders.

Glenn:
How about rejoicing for all the children this "Doctor" will not murder now?

Flintlock:
I tried to get upset about this.
I failed.
My bad, I guess.

stockpirate:
God BLESS the man that killed Tiller.
It is time the left started to feel the wrath of conservatives.
There is a time for peace and a time for war.
Jesus said I came not to bring peace but a sword. Those who beat their swords into plows will plow for those who do not.
A people unwilling to use extreme violence to preserve their liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. The two phrases are written over the doors of the Justice Department in DC, "Repression breeds violence" and "Where justice ends, tyranny begins"
Certainly the unborn are suffering under the boot of tyranny and are being repressed by the ungodly.
Rightous men have an obligation to change the wanton murder of the unborn.
A nation that allows the murder of the unborn deserves God's harsh judgement.

and this thread:

Lexington Green:
What goes around...

newfreep:
Whatever "church" Tiller attends must be worshipping satan.

IDRATHERNOT:
Tiller Shot & Killed? Thousands of unborn children claim self defense.

wardaddy:
he reaped what he's sowed same as anyone so evil

Sloth:
*shrug* Genocide has consequences.

The Sons of Liberty:
Shooting was too good for him. Too bad his body wasn't torn to pieces like his victims.
May he burn in hell for eternity.

wardaddy:
This guy wa a monster period.
Did you cry when Dahmer got killed in the joint?
Would you worry about Manson?
nothing personal but ya'll are soft as butter.
I make no apologies whatsoever, folks here will be ill prepared for where we're headed.

whatisthetruth:
I'm only surprised this didn't happen sooner, couldn't have happened to a better man, IMO.

P-Marlowe:
If you TRULY believe that Abortion is murder, then you cannot condemn anyone who would do anything to stop this mass murderer from continuing in his crimes. This is where the rubber meets the road. If you call abortion murder, then this was justifiable homicide. If abortion is not murder, then Tiller was the victim of a heinous crime and his killer should be condemned.

mjp:
Sometimes retaliatory force is necessary to stop initiation of force by those who are violating natural rights. Preservation of life and natural rights of the innocent is a natural duty that God requires.

tips up:
If the killer just put scissors into his skull, it would be considered a late term abortion (60+ years late) and he would be a hero of the left, rather than a domestic terrorist.

gscc:
I suppose if Hitler had been assassinated there would have been many "good" Germans who would have looked at the assassin as a "crazy". Let's face it - this country has lost it's soul. We live in a post-Judeo-Christian nation and it will only go down hill from here. There will certainly be many "good" Americans that lament the passing of this evil man. With a federal government, press and apostate "church" firmly entrenched in liberal secular theology we are witnessing the end of the founder's America.

MichiganConservative:
It's abortion in the 272nd tri-mester (ROTFLMAO)
Post-extraction lead-induced termination.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Close to it.

[P-Marlowe]

When you do the math Tiller murdered 2.5 human beings for every day he was on the earth.

[HiTech RedNeck]

And 99+% of American abortionists would never do Killer-Tillers.

[Minn]

My, my, my ~ "Repeal RVW"? Repeal?...So, no, there's no repeal possible.

Gee, thanks for the schooling in legal terminology. Do you really think anybody here doesn't know where RVW came from, and what it is? You going to review my spelling and grammar for me next?

Shooting abortionists probably isn't going to influence the courts (except the ones run by Leftwingtards), but it does counsel the abortionists that they are not immortal ~ something which is probably a surprise to many of them.

So let's stop beating around the bush with this "counsel" crap. Don't like a law? Just shoot and blow up a few people and you can maybe get a political outcome that might be difficult at the ballot box or in the courts. Nothing like caricaturing and marginalizing yourself, so the left doesn't have to. So, exactly what makes you any different from the proverbial "moderate Muslim"? You know the type that apparently abhors terrorism but can never get too worked up about condemning it because they support it's political objectives? Infidels are really lousy people you know, and deserve to die anyway.

[dennisw]

As far as Tiller’s church I would like to know more. I doubt this church was on the up and up. Maybe he made big donations with his abortion profits

Till got $5000 per. He would be a millionaire if he were still alive

[dennisw]

Till got $5000 per>>>>>

Tiller got $5000 per abortion

[prismsinc]

2.5? What, did he slice them in half at the end of the day when he couldn’t finish? ROTFLMAO

[dalereed]

that’s just someones personal garbage.

If it was a news article it might be worth posting but being some personal rant, who cares!

[beckysueb]

I am standing up cheering your response. God bless!

[HiTech RedNeck]

I think a lot of folks who were “on the fence” will now have a hard time not acknowledging a poetic justice in the event. Roeder himself? At best he’s a loon.

[Shaun_MD]

Come on, you can do better than that.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Maybe we should invent a new word for a man with this kind of riches — Tillionaire. (No R)

[prismsinc]

Wow. Tiller got $5000 per legal murder-for-hire? Richard Kuklinski must be wondering what he did wrong.....

[Ol' Sparky]

Nice of them to collect a large sample of the pro Tiller killing comments despite the fact that they were really a minority of the comments.

The majority of posters I saw were glad Tiller was dead and could no longer committed mass infanticide even though most disagreed with the way he died, justifiably so.

There is a big difference between being happy an evil man can no longer shed innocent blood and someone condoning individuals being judge, jury and executioner.

[dennisw]

Tillionaire-— You got the earthly riches you craved but you are in no condition to enjoy them

[prismsinc]

You need to make a post out of that. TILLIONARE! A new name for abortion doctors!!!

[Trailerpark Badass]

And all it took was blowing someone’s a child murderer's head off.

[Ahithophel]

Agreed.

There was once was man from Wichita
Who aborted the fetuses of patients he saw
And he said with disdain
As he vacuumed a brain
Wanna’ watch as I crack off her jaw?

A little more limericky and upbeat without losing any esprit de corp, don’t ‘cha think?

[prismsinc]

Oh God. I look at my twins and tremble with fury.