Posted on 06/01/2009 6:00:53 AM PDT by tcg
All who know the objective truth about the dignity and value of every human life, from conception to natural death and at every moment in between, should decry this horrible act of violence. It must be unqualifiedly rejected and condemned within the Pro-Life community because of our unwavering conviction that every life, at every age and stage, has dignity and must be respected, protected and honored. This bedrock conviction should inform a “whole life/pro-life” ethic in those who gather under the banner of being Pro-Life.
A moral analysis tells us that the killing of a defenseless George Tiller is similar to the killing of every defenseless child in the womb who dies due to procured abortion. Both acts of killing are evil. Both must be completely rejected. Both should be decried by every person who is Pro-life.
We reject intentional abortion because every procured abortion is the killing of a member of our human family. The dignity of that little human person in the first home of the whole human race cries out for changing the unjust approach to giving protected status to intentional abortion in America. However, this dignity is present in all human persons, even those with whom we disagree and those whose actions we decry.
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That’s why we must push back. I’m thinking along these lines.
1. Tiller had a violent, criminal past.
2. Obama welcomed violent anti-government killers, Ayers and Dohrn.
3. All truly pro-life groups have condemned the killing of Tiller.
I like that.
The threat must be imminent.
Grammar nit: "...defenseless against he him who would murder them." The prepositional phrase "against him" requires an objective case (him), not nominative (he).
OK — and I don’t defend vigilantism at all. Killing to defend property is never justified in my opinion. Killing is only justified in defense of life. I am one of the few people on FR who thinks Joe Horn should be in jail for manslaughter.
My only point in this thread is to make it clear to people that Tiller is not someone who was doing something we merely considered wrong — he was doing something illegal.
I've long speculated that the heavy-handed tactics the government used against groups like Operation Rescue in the late 1980s and early 1990s are a very big reason why some people have resorted to violence against abortionists.
As an astute observer pointed out some years ago (it may have been after the Slepian killing in Buffalo, NY), attacks on abortionists were almost non-existent until the government began forcibly removing peaceful demonstrators from public areas outside the offices and homes of abortionists.
I guess you don't know much about the Teller case.
The PEOPLE HAVE PUT THE POLICY IN PLACE (the law) THROUGH DEMOCRATIC MEANS. Their legislature enacted a law against ALL partial-birth abortions except to save the life of the mother (which doctors will tell you is NEVER necessary! If they need to save the mother's life; a Cesarean section is the appropriate procedure.)
Corruption in the executive branch state prevented that law from being enforced against Tiller, who had blatantly ignored the will of the people and continued performing the horrid procedure at will.
Tiller was a genuine monster; how he could attend ANY church is mind-boggling.
“Then you’d better start convincing people that re-electing Obama is a bad idea and donating to the RNC/conservative party of your choice then. Nobody said living in a democracy was easy.”
That’s all well and good, but it doesn’t address the fact that there was a law in place to prevent late term abortions and it wasn’t enforced. Meanwhile, those babies would continue to be butchered for at least another 3 years. At least Tiller won’t be doing them any more. And we can only hope no one will resume the business.
Great points all. Thanks for that contribution, and you are absolutely right. I’m no big fan of his, but as JFK once said “Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable”, or something to that effect. I expect something like this to happen with immigration laws at some point.
I’m not endorsing the murder of Tiller, but there is no doubt he was the Kansas equivalent of Al Capone in Chicago 80 years ago.
4. Obama called the killing of Tiller “heinous”. Did he really want to go there? When I think of what Tiller did for a living, and for which Obama elevated the governor of Kansas, the word “heinous” is the first word that comes to mind.
This reminds me of a statement attributed to Martin Luther King: "Those who make a nonviolent solution impossible, amke a violent solution inevitable."
“This is why you can impeach people.”
In the meantime, people are dying; and in this case, monstrously!
Actually, YOU’RE arguing from an authoritative position, and as someone who lives here would know, you’re missing a LOT of information. So, I’ll dismiss your argument with the same... YAWN.
Three women and five men vote on whether rape should be legal.
Ah, darn, the women lose.
I guess they’ll “have to work harder for the next election”.
Meanwhile...
“... attacks on abortionists were almost non-existent until the government began forcibly removing peaceful demonstrators from public areas outside the offices and homes of abortionists.”
You also make some good points but I am not convinced by them. Attacks may have been almost non-existent before that but they DID exist and rhetoric was ramping up further yet. I don’t believe it was unreasonable for the feds to assume that further violence might blow-up and take steps.
First of all, that was never going to happen. But larger point is you keep moving the goal posts. Every legal and rational avenue was taken to put an end to this butchering. There is such a thing as “extraordinary measures”. One should have to go through extraordinary measures, simply to see that a law is enforced. Does that justify vigilante behavior? Of course not. But stop being disingenuous about the notion that Tiller was merely doing what was within his rights. He wasn’t. He was literally getting away with murder, not because the law allowed him to but because he bought off those who are supposed to enforce the law.
Looked it up - it was JFK.
I don’t hear the pro-choice crowd crying about the 50 million people who have not been allowed to live.
It’s definitely ILLEGAL for Mr. Tiller to have been murdered, but it’s legal to kill 50 million unborn people in the USA.
Mr. Tiller’s murderer will be punished, and hopefully Mr. Tiller is being punished.
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