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Fears for 228 as Air France jet vanishes
CNN ^ | June 1, 2009

Posted on 06/01/2009 3:50:07 AM PDT by rdl6989

(CNN) -- A French passenger aircraft carrying 228 people has disappeared off the coast of Brazil, airline officials say. A file photo shows an Air France jet on take off. Some 228 passengers are aboard the missing aircraft.

A file photo shows an Air France jet on take off. Some 228 passengers are aboard the missing aircraft.

Air France told CNN the jet was traveling from Rio de Janeiro to Charles de Gaulle airport in Paris when contact was lost.

The airline said flight AF447 was carrying 216 passengers in addition to a crew of 12. The plane is listed as an Airbus A330.

State radio reported a crisis center was being set up at Charles de Gaulle where the plane had been due to land at 11.15 a.m. local time.

Reports said an air force search and rescue operation was underway around the Brazilian island of Fernando de Noronha, 365 kilometers (226 miles) off the mainland.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: airbusa330; airfrance; brazil; flightaf447; france; french; paris; riodejaneiro
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To: RayChuang88
My guess is more mechanical failure, especially if the turbulence was strong enough to literally snap off a flight control surface, especially the vertical tail (given the history of a couple of vertical tail separations on widebody Airbus planes).

If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.

61 posted on 06/01/2009 6:11:11 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

I have flown near typhoons and through bad storms in Atlantic and Pacific - “turbulence” sounds like a cover story for an Air France airliner, their fleet is not maintained and flown like a 3rd world operatioon

at best “turbulence” combined with (or caused by) a structural anomaly

the coincidental arrest of a high ranking al Qaeda operative in Brazil last week is the mouse in the corner no one dare mention. But perhaps we should be thankful he was not waterboarded.
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62 posted on 06/01/2009 6:16:29 AM PDT by silverleaf ("Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal ( Martin Luther King))
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To: cll; ml/nj
thanks for your replies.

UPDATED INFO. what do you make of this?

Air France said in a statement the plane sent an automatic message reporting an electrical short-circuit at 0214 GMT, roughly 15 minutes after flying into the turbulence.

63 posted on 06/01/2009 6:17:30 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: silverleaf
It seems as though there was a "a structural anomaly."

See post # 63.

64 posted on 06/01/2009 6:19:45 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: maggief

I was on a domestic flight, a 737 when the right engine “fell” into someones backyard. Military pilot landed us safely. We were told a flock of birds.Ended up being a severe lack of maintaining the plane.This was years ago.


65 posted on 06/01/2009 6:25:30 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: TomGuy

Brazil is as large as the US. That point is 4 hours flight from Rio.


66 posted on 06/01/2009 6:28:43 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Must be some sort of internal company communication. I am not entirely familiar with the Airbus and Air France.


67 posted on 06/01/2009 6:29:38 AM PDT by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
Air France said in a statement the plane sent an automatic message reporting an electrical short-circuit at 0214 GMT, roughly 15 minutes after flying into the turbulence.

It seems strange that they would be able to receive an automated message, but not a voice message. It might have something to do with the capabilities of the available radio frequencies. I've never flown anywhere where it was impossible to make VHF radio contact, so I just don't know. (I also never have had anything other than a simple auto-pilot, which I could and frequently did shut off with the flip of a switch, making any decisions for me.

ML/NJ

68 posted on 06/01/2009 6:31:23 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: jimbo123

Isn’t that area off the coast of S. America known as Hurricane Alley?


69 posted on 06/01/2009 6:31:31 AM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: ml/nj

Right... why no verbal message....if there was an electrical short you would think the pilot would communicate this. Unless the short some how ceased all communications... I have no idea.


70 posted on 06/01/2009 6:34:14 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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Nope, a little bit more north of there is Hurricane Alley.


71 posted on 06/01/2009 6:35:14 AM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: Never on my watch; MikeWUSAF
I also hate “frayed arcing wires in the center fuel tank”

I know what you mean. I myself just hate it when engines detach from their pods and fall off into the ocean, together with a blown fuselage door and decompression at 35000 ft and a fire in the cockpit.. It's difficult to focus on the movie.

72 posted on 06/01/2009 6:36:16 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: LonePalm

...Saving this for my fourth language studies. The Lords Prayer, and the Hail, Mary, to start the day. English, Latin, Spanish, French, German next. Thanks for the text...


73 posted on 06/01/2009 6:37:06 AM PDT by gargoyle (...66.7% , A good round number...)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
Air France said in a statement the plane sent an automatic message reporting an electrical short-circuit at 0214 GMT, roughly 15 minutes after flying into the turbulence.

There's all manner of fault detection stuff in airplanes. If the computer senses something like that, it makes good sense to have the aircraft automatically send a message indicating the nature of the detected fault. The pilots may be too busy to make the call; and this way they wouldn't have to.

74 posted on 06/01/2009 6:38:12 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: RoadTest

If it was mountain turbulence, it may have been unforeseen or rather, unpredicted by the weather folks prior to departure. Off the coast of Japan, it can be quite strong.

Thunderstorm turbulence can normally be predictable, but not always. I once hit severe turbulence over the Indian Ocean from t-storms. We knew t-storms were ahead, but we painted the tops on our on-board Doppler radar a good 12,000’ below our flight path — seemingly safe. It made no difference; it seems the t-storms was SO powerful that the turbulence was “erupting” from the top of the storms, not “paintable” by radar.

Panels popped off in back. Engines surged. Passengers screamed in back. We lost and gained +/- 400’ altitude and +/- 40 in seconds. We followed our procedures, turning off the auto-throttles, “freezing” the autopilot and flew to the narrowest part of the line of storms. It lasted about a minute. We lived through it obviously, but it was a very scary experience, especially at night.

Prayers for the crew and passengers.


75 posted on 06/01/2009 6:45:34 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: r9etb
I'm not implying this happened, but I'm wondering if it would be possible to cause a major malfunction by installing a virus in the plane's computer software? Your comment about automated messages being sent by the onboard computer points out just how much the computer and the essential systems of the aircraft are interwoven.
76 posted on 06/01/2009 6:48:12 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: BP2

I (as a passenger) went through similar over the Tasman Sea about thirty years ago, I’ll never forget it.


77 posted on 06/01/2009 6:50:33 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: BP2

So the turbulence continues well above the visible tops of those thunderheads (nimbus) clouds).


78 posted on 06/01/2009 6:50:37 AM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus - I Tim 2:5)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
I'm not implying this happened, but I'm wondering if it would be possible to cause a major malfunction by installing a virus in the plane's computer software?

Anything's possible, but I seriously doubt this is likely. An aircraft computer is not like something connected to the internet; I think a virus would have to be coded directly into the software build -- more like sabotage, than hacking.

79 posted on 06/01/2009 6:53:39 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: rdl6989

Strange reports - now i heard that the plane went thru a thunderstorm and may have flown for several hours afterward


80 posted on 06/01/2009 6:54:41 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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