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To: Star Traveler

Strange logic on this thread. 2008 is the 9th warmest year in the last 150—despite prevailing La Nina conditions and a solar minimum (i.e., 2008 should have been cold as balls but wasn’t) and you think that undercuts AGW? The NOAA study demonstrates how little we still know about our climate, which may supports a cautionary approach to adopting any climate theory hook, line and sinker—but it doesn’t “put the lie” to anything.


21 posted on 05/30/2009 1:22:48 PM PDT by melstew
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To: melstew

There’s a very clear correlation between the sunspot activity and the heating up and cooling down of the earth. And yes, it “puts the lie” to the AGW people and really bolsters the idea of the sun being the prime “engine” behind heating and cooling...

When you mention one year, I prefer to see a whole series of years, like you saw in the Maunder Minimum and other years. So, I wouldn’t put any reliability on one year, but on the trend over a period of a number of years and how that ties in with the solar activity...


25 posted on 05/30/2009 1:27:25 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: melstew
Strange logic on this thread. 2008 is the 9th warmest year in the last 150—despite prevailing La Nina conditions and a solar minimum (i.e., 2008 should have been cold as balls but wasn’t) and you think that undercuts AGW?

Strange logic yourself, claiming conclusions from data you haven't provided. Maybe you figured it was beyond us, and you could just supply your interpretive summary?

27 posted on 05/30/2009 1:28:23 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: melstew
"Strange logic on this thread. 2008 is the 9th warmest year in the last 150—

Since you didn't provide the data, how are those 9 years distributed across that span? How accurate is the data, is the measurement criterion the same for those 150 measurements (apples to apples)?

34 posted on 05/30/2009 1:51:16 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: melstew

Do you have a reliable source for your statement.

There are people who analyze data and I have read some of their writings.

The CO2 levels are high and the temperature is falling. It kind of puts the lie to global warming in my book.

Also, CO2 levels rising have preceded previous “ice ages”. That also puts the lie to the green beenies.

Al Gore refuses to debate with real scientists who want to challenge his facts, his conclusions, and anything else that he has offered.

This too puts the lie to global warming.

What is global warming? It is a set of incomplete facts and incorrect analyses that purport to demonstrate that technology that the green beanies do not like based upon their belief structure. It kind of reminds me of the nazis and how they blamed jews for all their ills. Our modern green beanies are no better than those nazis.


51 posted on 05/30/2009 4:28:52 PM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: melstew
Very simple logic. AGW models have all predicted that increased CO2 levels can only lead to warmer temperatures. They were all wrong. Temperature trend since 1998 is down, while CO2 levels increased. Why did these models fail ? These models primarily ignored the effects of solar induced changes. The only theories that correctly predicted the falling temperature trend are those that placed proper emphasis on changes in solar output as well as placing the the proper emphasis on CO2 induced heating.

The above explains why the most honest of the AGW idiots have come out and stated that solar induced changes may delay global warming.

53 posted on 05/30/2009 5:27:55 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: melstew; Star Traveler; Talisker; 2ndClassCitizen; justa-hairyape
Were you intellectually honest enough to watch the video in comment #11?

The long term data consistently show that atmospheric CO2 concentration follows temperature -- with a several year lag.

IOW, elevated temperature causes CO2 to increase -- not the other way 'round as the Gorebull Waruming idiots claim.

Watch the video -- and note who the speakers are (including the co-founder of Greenpeace...) Then come back and see if you want to support your "strange logic" and single data-point position.

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My prediction is that this is the last we will hear from you on this thread...

55 posted on 05/30/2009 7:48:41 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: melstew
"2008 is the 9th warmest year in the last 150"

Says who?

59 posted on 05/31/2009 12:19:02 AM PDT by jpsb
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