[justa-hairyape]

Very simple logic. AGW models have all predicted that increased CO2 levels can only lead to warmer temperatures. They were all wrong. Temperature trend since 1998 is down, while CO2 levels increased. Why did these models fail ? These models primarily ignored the effects of solar induced changes. The only theories that correctly predicted the falling temperature trend are those that placed proper emphasis on changes in solar output as well as placing the the proper emphasis on CO2 induced heating.

The above explains why the most honest of the AGW idiots have come out and stated that solar induced changes may delay global warming.

[melstew]

You are wrong. I don’t put graet faith in the models and will nt defend them, but they do not say what you assert. They do not predict a linear rise in temperatures. According to the models, ocean oscillations, solar variation, sulfur levels from volcanos will all have a year to year impact. If anything, the relative warmth of 2008, despite La Nina and low sun spots supports the “AGW idiots.” AGW idiots 1 Justa hairy ape 0