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Democrats wait for tragedy to enact weapon legislation
Examiner.com ^ | 5-29-2009 | Dianna Cotter

Posted on 05/29/2009 9:59:05 PM PDT by Danae

America’s 1st Freedom June 2009 Magazine has called the Democrats onto the carpet.

And it isn’t pretty.

Marshall Lewin in an article titled:”Showing their True Colors”, lays it all on the line. In his article he describes a ruthless calculation, Democrat leaders in the White House and in Congress are waiting for people to die. That’s right. They are waiting until there is some national level tragedy, the loss of life involving firearms, to introduce and then pass legislation banning guns.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


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To: Jacksonian Grouch

“...It would be interesting to see a Conservative issue a call requiring all Law Abiding Citizens to be armed after an incident...”

Brilliant idea, actually.

This is something proactive, and should be sent to Congresscritters who may have the B*lls to stand up and do it...get it on record, get them to stand together on it and do it EVERY TIME something happens.

Good call, Grouch.


141 posted on 05/30/2009 11:00:06 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By any means necessary.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I have no doubt The Marxist Onada yearns to ban guns altogether. There may even be an Executive Order already written doing just that.

One would hope that at least one of these leftist nuts has sufficient critical thinking ability left to realize this will lead to armed insurrection. In any case, there is the enforcement problem. What are they gonna do to millions of gun owners who refuse to comply? There is not one enforcement option that will not lead to armed insurrection. Jail, fines, reeducation camps? I don’t think so. That road only leads to armed insurrection.

I can just picture police departments, who won’t lay a glove on illegals, going after their own gun-owning tax payers. Elements in some Blue State NGs might be persuaded to participate in the disarming of their neighbors, but I doubt it. Afterall, they must live in these communities. The US military is forbidden to be policemen in America by law. With some in the military not even acknowledging The Dear Leader as their C-in-C (sans proof of place of birth), that could also prove to be hot button for The Marxist Onada.

IMHO, the Dear Leader’s goal right now is to push as hard as he can toward socialism WITHOUT coalescing an opposition. Banning guns is precisely the issue that would do it.

Surely, even these idiots realize there is purpose behind the surge in gun and ammo buying since Onada usurped the presidency.


142 posted on 05/30/2009 11:11:47 AM PDT by dools007
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
>“...give me liberty, or give me death!” >Don’t you get it? They will give you neither.

You are wrong. Even in the worst of cases, you are wrong.
Go watch the movie "To End All Wars"

143 posted on 05/30/2009 11:22:18 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Crim
The entire senario counts on the backing of the entire US military,police, and NG combined....even if they could recall every troop from around the world.

The willingness to ignore their sworn oaths, and the willingness to unleash wholesale warfare upon their own country...not a likely senario...highly unlikely in fact..

Funny how you never seem to read any stories about Pentagon studies of Martial Law scenarios. Obviously, they've been done. It's a certainty that our gov't has studied various hypothetical scenarios of rebellion over and over again.

It's my bet that every administration that has studied this has come away realizing what every one before them has, since at least the time of Lincoln. No matter which way you play it, the gov't loses every time.

It's my fervent hope that the tea parties on July 4th will be the catalyst for an historic patriotic protest on Capitol Hill on 12 September 09. On that day, I want to see The People take back their government, and run the Socialist traitors out of Washington.

144 posted on 05/30/2009 11:30:45 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Jacob Morgan; All
heck, even Remington makes one now

Funny you should mention Remington. It looks like their business may potentially be eliminated through Chrysler's bankruptcy. A relative of mine lost his job at Remington this week. He's in his late 30's and has worked for the company for many years dealing with promotions and training of new fire arms to police, etc. Remington is owned by the parent corporation of Chrysler and has recently gone from 3 Vice-presidents to 14. He was told that the company will no longer be selling to that type of business, only Walmart and such. What happens when WalMart decides, or is legislated, to no longer carry guns?
145 posted on 05/30/2009 11:40:44 AM PDT by callisto (It's the three T's: Too Many Taxes, Trillions in Debt, and Transparency)
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To: Boucheau
I’ve gone from rage, to denial, back to rage, then to numbness and now it’s almost like the beginnings of accepting the fact that someone you love dearly is gonna die.

Anger and rage = willingness to fight back.

Numbness and acceptance = surrender.

Rage is a lot more healthy for you, your family, and our republic, my friend. Don't give in to the pressure to succumb.

146 posted on 05/30/2009 11:42:54 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Crim
...better get to bed before the wife wakes up....if you never see me again...it’s becuase she killed me for staying up all night on FR...

LOL! Our wives think very much alike!

147 posted on 05/30/2009 11:53:17 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Go watch the movie "To End All Wars"

I will if you'll go watch "Invasion of the Body Snatchers."

148 posted on 05/30/2009 11:56:05 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Confirm thy soul in self-control, thy liberty in law.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

>>Go watch the movie “To End All Wars”
>
>I will if you’ll go watch “Invasion of the Body Snatchers.”

You’re on! :D


149 posted on 05/30/2009 12:09:18 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
You brave iron men who claim to be more stubborn than that, who now sit at your keyboards unsuspected of such grit -- I am proud to be in your company, to share the same internet forum with you. I salute you and all your rippling muscles. But you're going to be annihilated, all the same.

You've chosen an appropriate screen name. It appears that the scary monster tactics and propaganda of the paper tiger tyrants has worked well on you.

Do you honestly believe that 85 million gun-owning Americans would sit still and do nothing if government goons started confiscating guns and shooting their neighbors?

If worse came to worse, and we saw armed troops in our communities, do you honestly believe that this wouldn't provoke a conflagration of armed rebellion across the country?

You're the one who's dreaming here. Get real...

150 posted on 05/30/2009 12:19:40 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
You've chosen an appropriate screen name.

As I've mentioned many times, my screen name was chosen because I lived next door to a compound of fundamentalist islamists from Pakistan. Mosque, madrassa, the works, all in an old Catholic rectory and church in a small rural town in a red state.

Do you honestly believe that 85 million gun-owning Americans would sit still and do nothing if government goons started confiscating guns and shooting their neighbors?
If worse came to worse, and we saw armed troops in our communities, do you honestly believe that this wouldn't provoke a conflagration of armed rebellion across the country?... Get real...

You didn't read thoroughly. I wrote that there would be no need for shooting, and no armed troops would be provoking an armed rebellion. People will give up their guns, on request, mostly; a few will need to be pressured by tax audits and other clever things the govt can do to you without drawing blood. After they're done having fun, holding onto your firearms is the least of your problems. Imagine holding onto your family, your job, your pension, your driver's license, your house, your freedom. Imagine trying to figure out how you're going to pay all those lawyers. Imagine false charges of various nasty crimes, conviction for which entails the loss of reputation, liberty, voting rights, driving privileges --- and firearms.

I could go on. You folks really have no clue at all. I'm sorry, but you really don't.

151 posted on 05/30/2009 12:37:41 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Confirm thy soul in self-control, thy liberty in law.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

You still imagine that heavy-handed moves by the government against individual citizens would go un-answered by the broad public. You forget that every person has an innate instinct for self (and group) preservation.

As long as a person can reasonably fight back when cornered, they’ll do so. It’s the law of the jungle.

The only way for things to play out as you’re postulating, is for the government to gradually, and ever so gently ease 200 million guns out of the hands of its citizens. It just ain’t gonna happen.

You have to stop looking at this from your personal view of how you’d react to wholesale gov’t gestapo tactics. Maybe you’d roll over, or run and hide. Most won’t. They’ll stand and fight.


152 posted on 05/30/2009 12:51:07 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
You have to stop looking at this from your personal view of how you’d react to wholesale gov’t gestapo tactics

I expected you'd get around to an ad hominem cheapshot. We're therefore done discussing this.

153 posted on 05/30/2009 12:56:42 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Confirm thy soul in self-control, thy liberty in law.)
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To: Shooter 2.5

THANK YOU!!


154 posted on 05/30/2009 2:23:29 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: chainsaw
It will not be a citizen soldier. It will be Obama's National Police Force. His Nazi brown shirts. And more likely his ACORN organization that he funded with 3.6 billion dollars of stimulus funds.

Good. I hope so. They'll turn & run much sooner than a disciplined soldier when the lead starts flying. It'll be more like a shooting gallery for the patriots, with enemy weapons & ammunition being one of the big prizes.
155 posted on 05/30/2009 2:26:44 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: Crim
Apparently, you misread my message. It was, "Only five long guns? You call that being armed? Obviously that photo wasn't made in Texas..." ;-)
156 posted on 05/30/2009 3:16:43 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: houeto

Which states? Gotta link? Thanks


157 posted on 05/30/2009 3:18:19 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: Crim
Hey watch it. I can see 4 black helos from my house at this moment.
158 posted on 05/30/2009 3:20:48 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit (Two terms for politicians, one in office, one in jail.))
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To: NFHale; All

Well, hells-bells!

Excellent post!

“Hey F*ck You!”

My wife would tell you that this is my favorite response to the assorted a-holes and betas one is apt to stumble upon in day-to-day life.

I’m a scrapper, always have been.

Tens of millions of babies die every year. Effectively murdered by the US government.

And Americans do nothing.

A blatant anti-American, anti-white, hard-left candidate runs for office.

And Americans vote him into office with the help of approximately 20% of “conservatives/republicans” because he is “cool” and black.

Same man fires a CEO, nationalizes banks, targets individual PRIVATE citizens for intimidation...

And Americans do nothing.

Same man shackles with debt/high taxes/lower standard of living the current collection of half-dead Americans, and their offspring for at least 2 or 3 generations, with the largest gov’t spending bill in human history.

Americans!? (sound of crickets and the sound of a “Tea Party” way off in the background)

Same man gives a group called ACORN millions of YOUR tax dollars. Conservatives/Republicans values are diametrically opposed to ACORN yet they are forced to fund their activism/lobbying/agenda.

Americans do nothing.

ACORN ends up with a part to play in the Census, affecting huge amounts of tax dollars, political power/positioning and support of the governments racist policies against whites.

Americans do nothing.

The private sector is assaulted daily. Hundreds of thousands of jobs are lost every month—WHILE GOVERNMENT GROWS—WHILE CIVIL SERVANTS HOLD PROTESTS TO PROTECT THEIR CUSHY JOBS AND CUSHY BENEFITS—benefits that the tax-burdened private sector couldn’t possibly afford.

Americans do nothing.

Government publishes a document referring to conservatives/soldiers/right wing as “potential terror threats”.

Americans do nothing.

and on, and on, and on...

Now, all of you calling me a coward, a traitor—telling me to go back to DU, etc., would have me believe that Americans are going to FIGHT BACK????????????

(insert favorite response)

Do you think I’m a F***IN’ idiot?

Let’s see, now. 40 million babies killed, effectively by the governmnet—nothing done about it.

40 MILLION AMERICANS EVERY YEAR!

Add my travesty short list and you think I’m going to be condident that we would fight for pieces of metal that project smaller pieces of metal?????????

Sorry, I do have my doubts and I certainly did play devil’s advocate in this thread.

Now, you know what I think will happen. What do I want to happen?

I’m with all of you ready to fight back with intelligence and forethought. I’m with all of you ready to lay it all on the line.

I’m probably more of this than most—THAT’S WHY I’M SAYING THESE THINGS.

If I’ve made a few of you angry, fine. I think there are too many FReepers who aren’t enraged and ready to do battle. We are in a fight for our lives and few seem to get it.

They walk out of their front doors and looks around and, “Gee, everything looks like it did before. Everything is just fine—it’s just another election cycle. Pesky liberals.”

NO! It’s not fine. The left is setting us up for a fall.

I can see it plain as day.

Why else would they behave the way they do? Because they patriots? Because they want Americans to prosper? Because they are capitalists?

No! All they want is YOUR PAYCHECK and YOUR PASSIVITY!

All they want is for you to find yet another reason to go home from work, turn on the tube/PC and tune-out.

Christ! The time to fight is NOW and absolutely NOTHING is happening.

And, yet, I’m supposed to feel confident is the robustness of current Americans. I’m told there is a battle cry out there somewhere—I DON’T HEAR A DAMN THING.

You tough guys aren’t doing a damn thing by touting what you will do “if they try to take you guns”. How about some non-violent action NOW? Millions have guns, sure. But they would be far more frightened of you if you could muster some real activism and real resistance.

Hey, tough guys: they’re kicking your a**es big time right now—wiping the floor with you bunch of would-be warrior, big-mouths.

How about using your heads and your activism to make a change NOW...SO AMERICANS DON’T HAVE TO KILL OTHER AMERICANS LATER??

The left has successfully put Americans to sleep—lambs for the slaughter, all of you.

Midnight for freedom is fast approaching.

But don’t take my word for it. For just a moment, consider if I may be on to something.


159 posted on 05/30/2009 3:30:12 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: TXnMA

LOL


160 posted on 05/30/2009 3:38:27 PM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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