America's Independent Party Pushes Patriotism, Love of Israel

Arutz Sheva ^ | May 25, 2009 | Malkah Fleisher and Tamar Yonah

[EternalVigilance]

(IsraelNN.com) 'Tea parties', tax revolts, and a general disillusionment with political parties which they say are based in socialism are leading some Americans to find political refuge in a party which claims dedication to America's traditional moral values.

The AIP, America's Independent Party, says it is a haven for the American patriot, and is determined to maintain what it sees as Biblically-based principles, including support for the State of Israel. It claims to already be the third largest political party in the United States.

Tom Kovach, Tennessee state party chairman and National Outreach Communication Director of AIP, told Israel National Radio's Tamar Yonah on The Tamar Yonah Show that his party wants to return America to its citizens, making it once again "a government of the people and by the people."

[calex59]

Sorry no loser third parties for me..

I see, then you will stick with the loser GOP party? The one that wants us all to turn liberal and big tent everyone, that loser party?

[TAdams8591]

You should be able to make your list bigger with names from this thread.

I stated my case against third parties on Fox TV. I can't make where I stand on this issue any clearer than that. Third parties can have some influence, but that influence pales in comparison to the influence of the two major parties. I'll stick with the Republicans.

[familyop]

EternalVigilance wrote:
"Alan is one of the staunchest friends the people of Israel have ever had. You’re reading things into his article that aren’t there. The article reveals a man who deeply understands the suffering of the Jewish people, actually.

Let's try this, EternalVigilance. We'll substitute references to people of Alan's religion (as I see it) in his piece, "On Obama, blacks and Jews" (WorldNetDaily, a Catholic publication), for Alan's generalizing complaints about Jewish people. Be sure to follow the substituted link. I'm not Jewish, BTW.

"...it has always seemed incongruous to me that so many" Roman "poets (using that word in its broadest sense to include all manner of creative artists) and intellectuals seem at ease with the utopian delusions of the left."

"The incongruity of this moment appears especially in this: that he [Obama] could not have achieved his goal without the support of rich and influential people from the very" community "indelibly scarred by the 20th century's inhuman ambitions."

Hopefully, that will bring some understanding that is absent from the WND (Lebanese publication) piece.

[EternalVigilance]

I’m sure Alan would be quite generous with his criticism of liberals who call themselves Catholic. After all, he just helped expose their corruption at Notre Dame.

[EternalVigilance]

BTW, I don’t get the “Lebanese publication” bit.

One other thing: He doesn’t write the headlines. WND has to have the world’s worst headline writers. It’s been a peeve of mine for a long time. I quit contributing there because of it. I swear, they don’t even read the articles.

Must be FReepers! ;-)

[familyop]

I was referring to Christians (not only Catholics, as all of Christianity was Roman for several hundred years), as Alan referred to Jewish people. I added the mentions of “Catholic” and “Lebanese” to show a pretended excess of attention to those groups. Jewish people only comprise a minute percentage of our population, yet they receive the same, old, obsessive focus from too many poorly educated outsiders.

About the article, metaphorical references to human “sacrifice” are offensive to people who were commanded to reject that practice of idolatry. Construing the Holocaust as some sort of spiritual sacrifice of Jewish people is also offensive, as is the word, Holocaust, itself (word roots relating to such sacrifice). Jewish people are more than understanding enough of foreign ignorance to put up with such frequent uses of that word without complaining.

As for our Nation’s intents on religion, read some of the letters between George Washington and some of the early American Jewish communities of his time.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/loc/washington.html

I’m not saying that Alan had an evil intent while writing his article, but he was incorrect in regards to Jewish people and Judaism. If we want to write about Christianity, for example, we should not go for knowledge to teachers of a religion that was a reaction against it.

[nutmeg]

Ditto, BARLF.

[familyop]

On headlines, yes. I’ve done some editing and writing for small publications. Ugly headlines are common to all kinds of publications. ;-) BTW, I’m patting myself on the back for not linking “community” to any page about Caligula (my sometimes really bad sense of humor). ;-b

[EternalVigilance]

Are you going to tell me that the name of the United States Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC is offensive to Jews?

Or the ones in Houston, or Skokie, IL, or Dallas, or Tampa Bay, or Richmond, or St. Pete, or Miami Beach...

I’ve been to several of them with Jewish friends. They didn’t say a word. Who knew?

[EternalVigilance]

lol...

A sense of humor is necessary, no matter who you are. :-)

[familyop]

"Are you going to tell me that the name of the United States Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC is offensive to Jews?

Or the ones in Houston, or Skokie, IL, or Dallas, or Tampa Bay, or Richmond, or St. Pete, or Miami Beach...

I’ve been to several of them with Jewish friends. They didn’t say a word. Who knew?"

On at least one occasion, John Paul II said, "Shoah" instead, and for that reason. It's likely that many of the more assimilated Jewish people don't know about that, but many who do know tolerate it out of understanding of our language and other historical influences (Rome, Medieval Europe, all).

From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :

  Holocaust \Hol"o*caust\, n. [L. holocaustum, Gr. ?, neut. of ?,
     ?, burnt whole; "o'los whole + kaysto`s burnt, fr. kai`ein to
     burn (cf. Caustic): cf. F. holocauste.]
     1. A burnt sacrifice; an offering, the whole of which was
        consumed by fire, among the Jews and some pagan nations.
        --Milton.
        [1913 Webster]
  
     2. Sacrifice or loss of many lives, as by the burning of a
        theater or a ship.
  
     Note: [An extended use not authorized by careful writers.]
           [1913 Webster]
  
     3. Specifically: The mass killing of millions of Jews by the
        Nazis during the period from 1933 to 1945 in Germany and
        German-occupied lands; usually referred to as The

        Holocaust. In Hebrew, the same event is referred to by
        the word Shoah.
        [PJC]

From WordNet (r) 2.0 :

  holocaust
       n 1: an act of great destruction and loss of life
       2: the Nazi program of exterminating Jews under Hitler [syn: final
          solution]

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So many of the words of our English language came from Latin,... The word, cabal, is another word that was misused long ago, as it is today. The Orthodox analytical Kabbalah (not the practical kind or the forbidden kind sought by some movie stars) is a beautiful study of more on Creation, self-conduct and other good things, but some of the ancient Romans construed it as being a sinister meeting.

[EternalVigilance]

Interesting.

[EternalVigilance]

I’ll have to talk to some of my Jewish friends and see if they’re as sensitive as you, a non-Jew. :-)

[familyop]

"I’ll have to talk to some of my Jewish friends and see if they’re as sensitive as you, a non-Jew. :-)"

...probably not. :-) It's their job to prepare Israel and our job to prepare the nations. They will also be getting far more tough than the rest of us.

Thank you for your understanding.

[BARLF]

You CGG are blessed!

Yes, I am a Granny. I have four grandchildren, no great grand babies. Been awhile since we've had a baby in our family. *sigh*

[BARLF]

(You do know that their 2008 Republican nominee kept his campaign alive using money from George Soros, right?):

Proof? If you know that for a fact then give a link.

You posted this to PhiKapMom:

Your post is rife with inaccuracies, unsurprisingly.

You have no problem with your own inaccuracies as long as it is trash against a Republican.

[EternalVigilance]

You have no problem with your own inaccuracies as long as it is trash against a Republican.

Show me one.

Proof? If you know that for a fact then give a link.

John McCain funded by Soros since 2001
Candidate's Reform Institute also accepted funds from Teresa Kerry

As Sen. John McCain assumes the GOP front-runner mantle, his long-standing, but little-noticed association with left-wing donors such as George Soros and Teresa Heinz Kerry is receiving new attention among his Republican critics.

In 2001, McCain founded the Alexandria, Va.-based Reform Institute as a vehicle to receive funding from George Soros' Open Society Institute and Teresa Heinz Kerry's Tides Foundation and several other prominent non-profit organizations.

McCain used the institute to promote his political agenda and provide compensation to key campaign operatives between elections.

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Put the keywords "McCain," "Soros," "Reform Institute," "Open Society Institute," into your search engine and you'll find everything you need to know.

If it wasn't for Soros money, McCain's political operations wouldn't have even made it to the primaries, much less through them.

Here's one of my favorite links on this subject, from Michelle Malkin: Meet the open borders family: McCain, Hernandez, Soros, and the “Reform Institute”

[PhiKapMom]

EV — You pushing that crap again about Soros and McCain! All of McCain’s donations were reported. That is the one thing I will say about the man is that his FEC reports say it all. He doesn’t cheat and fudge on campaign donations like Obama. Anyone in his campaign would be fired that did.

Difference between you and me EV is when I make a mistake I correct it. You are head of the AIP after much searching. Most parties, although FEC doesn’t recognize AIP as an official party, post their leadership prominently on the site. Check the records and you will see the American Independent Party is listed on the party list but your America’s Independent Party with around $5,000 donations for 18 months is not. If you have more donations then that, then you didn’t report. My figures come from the FEC reports and amended reports.

You all are not very original but you makes it simple for people to get the wrong party at the FEC. Changing American to America’s didn’t take much thought.

Don’t like anyone trying to split Republicans and aligning themselves with some guy on the radio that takes on reliable Conservative Republicans. Even your comments on line about McCain are not totally accurate. As far as I am concerned your little band of malcontents helped elect Obama with what was put out.

This was an election about you are with us or against us. I didn’t like McCain but Obama was so bad there is no way I wouldn’t agree to work for McCain and then he added Sarah and it made it a whole lot easier.

This is one of those you won’t recognize or listen to me so I am going to take my ball and go home. It is not personal Tom as I would say the same thing to anyone with the information I found. When the FEC doesn’t list you and makes their comments, this is not a 3rd Party. Another thing is saying you can stay registered in any Party which also discounts your AIP as a 3rd Party. The minute I see the FEC calling your AIP a party I will post that fact. Until then people calling you a 3rd Party need to be corrected.

[Bob J]

You put into towrds something I have been trying to understand for some time. I am loathe to say this but too many “born again” and “apocalyptic” christians that I have met seem to “love Israel but not Jews”.

[EternalVigilance]

Your post is as light on substance as cotton candy.

I've explained to you that AIP is different, and exactly how, but you and your friends don't listen. Because you don't want to listen. The simple principled premises of our party destroy your whole failed, compromised political paradigm.

Where are you getting this "18 months" crap anyway? AIP has only been in existence for a year. One more example of how your ignorance of election law, mixed with your malice, leads to libelous attacks on people who don't deserve it.

And yet you just blow off the fact that McCain not only took money from Soros, he did it by manipulating the non-profit laws to keep his politcal hacks on the payroll.

You're a hypocrite of the highest order.

I'll ask you again, are you still supporting Rudy Giuliani and his ilk?