Posted on 05/25/2009 1:19:35 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
There was fresh controversy today over child sex abuse and the Catholic church when an archbishop's aide claimed the majority of paedophilia was being perpetrated by gay men.
Father John Owen, the communications officer for the archdiocese of Cardiff and a Catholic chaplain at Cardiff University, was a guest on BBC1's The Big Questions.
His remarks concerned last Wednesday's publication of the Ryan Inquiry, a 2,565-page report detailing the abuse and rape of children in Ireland's Catholic institutions, and came days after the newly-appointed archbishop of Westminster, the Most Rev Vincent Nichols, angered charities by saying it took courage for religious orders and clergy to confront the past.
Asked by the show's presenter, Nicky Campbell, whether the church cared more about its own reputation than the welfare of children, Owen replied: "These matters are so ghastly that people don't want to look at them, they can't believe these things are taking place within the orbit of a Christian church, perversion of Christianity.
"Let me tell you of course before you go too far, most of the offences are being committed by homosexuals."
Despite condemnation from the other panellists, two of whom were sexually abused, the churchman insisted he was stating the facts and told them to "be silent".
He said the "vast majority" of abuse cases in the UK affected teenage boys. "Now what does that tell you? Now that is a fact," he added.
A statement from the archdiocese distanced itself from Owen, saying "his comments seeming to link abuse and homosexuality" did not reflect the "consistent views" of the archdiocese of Cardiff.
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To bad the MSM don't call this abuse what it really is most of the time which is “homosexual within the church sexually abuse adolescent boy(s).”
The truth would be to much for the gay “community” to handle.
Just another fact that they omit whenever these cases of abuse pop up.
“male on male sex is homosexual act. I think you are just playing with symantics with regards to age.”
The entire argument is based on semantics. I don’t consider a man who only molests pre-pubescent girls and has no interest in adult women to be a heterosexual. He is a pedophile pure and simple. There are plenty of reasons to consider homosexuality to be deviant behavior without trying to connect the dots and make them more prone to pedophelia than heterosexual men.
“Gay and straight ephebophiles have different drivers, and paedophiles who molest prepubescent children are different again,”
And therein lies the issue. A lot of pedophiles don’t distinguish between male or female children. They are pedophiles and gender of the child is irrelevant because they are attracted to children because they are children. Their driver is not gender oriented, but child oriented. To try and simplify this argument based on homosexuality or heterosexuality doesn’t resolve the issue at all. The only way to affirm this thesis is if you can show that when most homosexual men look at a prepubescent boy they are sexually aroused. I don’t think that has been shown in any way.
Read the Jay report—this isn’t controversial at all. It’s fact.
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Yet despite this overwhelming trend in the general population, the typical abuse victim in these cases is a adolescent (not pre pubescent) male abused by an adult male.
Conclude from that what you will.
The Catholic Aide is correct in the sense that gay men as a group represent the highest incidence of any group much higher than heterosexual men. This is the dirty little secrete. Here is an quote from Dr. Judith Reisman as social researcher that has studied homosexuals for over 30 years.
“Since heterosexuals outnumber the homosexual population about 44 to 1, as a group the incidence of homosexuals molesting children is up to 40 times greater than heterosexuals, she said.”
The data is staggering.
Straight men are not going to go after young boys! Why would they do that?
The majority of the abuses were done to young men. Plain and simple!
Hence the majority of the abuses were done by homosexual priests.
Now is he saying that all homosexuals are pedophiles? He is merely stating that the abuses that were done in the church were perpetrated by homosexuals.
He will be stoked over a fire for merely stating the facts! But good for him for having the guts to do it.
We aren’t talking about the general population, we are talking about the Catholic priesthood, so figure a lot more than just 10% homosexualists attracted to male teens.
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This is what is being referred to in this article. As for the society as a whole, I simply do not have enough info regarding that to make a judgment call in regards to homosexuals being the biggest offenders.
the definitions don’t work that way.
first it is the gender of the parties, THEN the ramifications of the ages of the parties.
“first it is the gender of the parties, THEN the ramifications of the ages of the parties.”
When a married man sexually abuses his 9 year old daughter does the issue of him being a heterosexual even come up? It’s irrelevant.
“Catholic aide says gay men commit most paedophilia”
There is no such thing as a “gay man.” There *are* men who suffer from same-sex attraction disorder, but the word “gay” is entirely inappropriate to describe this condition.
“People who are good do not want to see the evil in others.”
True, but that often has the effect of giving evildoers greater opportunity.
That is not the point.
The point is, homosexual men do offend at a high rate (high likelihood of having offended, per individual interviewed). The question of arousal is settled by their copping to the activity.
Their choices may run to older children, i.e. "tweenagers" and teens. I don't have any numbers handy on the subject of children younger than X having contact with homosexual men and women. I can only suppose that numbers exist as part of some study somewhere.
But in law, ephebophilia is a species of paedophilia more broadly defined because, as I explained before, the law does not distinguish between small children and teenagers younger than the age of consent. It's all statutory rape.
So I don't see the point of your saying that homosexuals haven't been studied as an offender group against small children. What is the burden of your argument? To exonerate homosexuality qua homosexuality, and say "homosexuality doesn't matter" when talking about statutory rape?
If anything, backing out the small children who are victims of paedophilia, one is driven to conclude, granting your point arguendo that homosexuals do not offend against young children (suspending disbelief for a moment), then therefore what we are left with is an even higher rate of offense against older children by homosexuals.
You seem to be developing an argument that:
a. Homosexuality is not a driver of "paedophilia" (i.e. sexual relations with young children younger than X)b. Ergo, popular culture errs in blaming homosexuality and homosexuals for the paedophilia problem, and therefore
c. Homosexuality is okay, and not malum in se as a driver of sexual contacts with minors.
You seem to be pushing peds off on NAMBLA in order to exonerate gays. Or do I miss your drift?
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They seem to like "chickenhawks", "queers", and a couple of others. But they seem to insist on "sir", when they are addressed by lowly breeders.
No shiteski Sherlock.
True, but that often has the effect of giving evildoers greater opportunity.
Yes, but good people aren't usually willing to fight "dirty" which is what evil does.
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