Posted on 05/25/2009 1:19:35 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
There was fresh controversy today over child sex abuse and the Catholic church when an archbishop's aide claimed the majority of paedophilia was being perpetrated by gay men.
Father John Owen, the communications officer for the archdiocese of Cardiff and a Catholic chaplain at Cardiff University, was a guest on BBC1's The Big Questions.
His remarks concerned last Wednesday's publication of the Ryan Inquiry, a 2,565-page report detailing the abuse and rape of children in Ireland's Catholic institutions, and came days after the newly-appointed archbishop of Westminster, the Most Rev Vincent Nichols, angered charities by saying it took courage for religious orders and clergy to confront the past.
Asked by the show's presenter, Nicky Campbell, whether the church cared more about its own reputation than the welfare of children, Owen replied: "These matters are so ghastly that people don't want to look at them, they can't believe these things are taking place within the orbit of a Christian church, perversion of Christianity.
"Let me tell you of course before you go too far, most of the offences are being committed by homosexuals."
Despite condemnation from the other panellists, two of whom were sexually abused, the churchman insisted he was stating the facts and told them to "be silent".
He said the "vast majority" of abuse cases in the UK affected teenage boys. "Now what does that tell you? Now that is a fact," he added.
A statement from the archdiocese distanced itself from Owen, saying "his comments seeming to link abuse and homosexuality" did not reflect the "consistent views" of the archdiocese of Cardiff.
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You wrote:
“Technically the term is pederasty for teens, pedophilia for pre-pubescent...”
Another technical term for it is “ephebophilia”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia
The term is ephebophilia, post pubescent. Pederasty is a generic term referring to both pre and post pubescent.
Actually, no it is not true at all.
I hate to be the first to explain this one to you, but puberty is actually a process that takes several years and which ends when full height is achieved.
Most victims are in the midst of that period, not after it.
Very few are assaulted after they develop facial hair
That is a pretty lame attempt to twist the statistics.
Most people will recognize it as an outright lie.
It is however, an outright lie that groups like NAMBLA train people to advance. Since you are using their seminar posting tactic Emerson, it is pretty safe to assess you as being sympathetic to their goals.
Gee, more than 30 posts and no Captain Obvious picture? Are FReepers slipping or just getting old?
I have watched the show pretty frequently and they have used a boy a couple of times. Here is one noteworthy case from the show:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/01/AR2006120100898.html
Asked by the show's presenter, Nicky Campbell, whether the church cared more about its own reputation than the welfare of children, Owen replied: "These matters are so ghastly that people don't want to look at them, they can't believe these things are taking place within the orbit of a Christian church, perversion of Christianity.
People who are good do not want to see the evil in others.
It is the emotionally disturbed “gays” that molest and rape the most minors.
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If a man has sex with men and also molests boys, then he is a pedophile who is homosexual. If a man is only sexually attracted to pre-pubescent boys then he is a pedophile and the term homosexual isn’t really relevant, anymore than a man who only has sex with a pre-pubescent girl is a heterosexual.
BS.
Homo = one + sexual = relating to sex. There is nothing pertaining to age within the term.
Contrary to your personal assertion, neither the boy nor tha man meta morphs into a female.
No more SciFi channel for you.
actually by their own admission homosexuals extimate their percentage at less than 2.7% on the HIGH side.
(lawrence decision brief)
male on male sex is homosexual act. I think you are just playing with symantics with regards to age.
There is no place for priests with that behavior.
The word has disappeared!
BTW: My dictionaries do NOT have the word "raunchy" in it. Go figure. :-\
Agreed. Their numbers are very small. That’s why their injuries to society are so out of proportion to their numbers.
The offense described here has been called ephebophilia. The offenders and drivers of ephebophilia are different, as you noted, from the offenses against prepubescent children.
Still, "paedophilia" at least in the U.S. includes the older children, up to the legal age of consent. I realize, and I suppose others do too, that there is some conceptual contamination going on here, but that is the usage among professionals and legal authorities as things stand now.
Since 1994, when the movie Philadelphia gave the signal for the offensive to begin, all we have seen out of the MSM is straight-bashing. "Bigot, bigot, bigot" is the sum of their argument.
Pinch Sulzberger has filled the editorial ranks of The New York Times with homosexuals, as attested to by one of the editors of his front page. He told us that a strong majority of the NYT's front-page editors, the men he worked with, were either gay or bisexual, and even the "closet cases" were not very careful about who knew.
In the 1980's, the NYT played the homosexual issue-cluster up the middle. After Pinch came aboard, he mashed the rudder over hard left and has kept it there ever since.
But soon enough, we will have to put up with him and his Manhattan Daily Catamite birdcage-liner no longer.
That was the fatal flaw Shakespeare wrote about in Marcus Brutus, "the noblest Roman of them all".
That isn't correct. Gay and straight ephebophiles have different drivers, and paedophiles who molest prepubescent children are different again, but it always makes a difference whether the offender is gay or het.
Pederasty was known to, and named by, the Greeks. Pais/paidos is "boy", erastes (pl. erastai) is the simple past (aorist) active participle of their verb for committing the sex act. The recipient of the act was eromenos (present passive participle), which you will sometimes see used in more-pretentious coffee-table books about Greek art and/or homosexuality for the young sex-object. Straight writers sometimes use the euphemism "favorite" (although historically not all favorites have been recipients of sexual attention). When he was a prostitute, the eromenos was often called pornos instead, which you see in the Bible, their "clients" then being called arsenokoitai, i.e. "burning" with lust.
How big an interest this area held for the Greeks is shown by the fact that my 1895 Greek lexicon lists three words for the female sexual organ, but eight for the anus.
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