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Victor Davis Hanson: Is America Premodern or Postmodern?
National Review Online ^ | May 21, 2009 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 05/21/2009 1:22:14 PM PDT by neverdem








Is America Premodern or Postmodern?
A highly complex society, staffed by the inept, can be terrifying.

By Victor Davis Hanson

During the last 20 years, science and a growing economy gave Americans the most sophisticated and leisured lifestyle in history. We inexpensively call or e-mail anywhere in the world. With online shopping and banking, Americans acquire and spend electronically — without seeing those with whom we do business. Taxes are filed over the Internet, and stocks are bought and sold daily online.

But with such ease and reliance on computers comes ever-increasing vulnerability. Brilliant engineers may have designed our laptops, cell phones, online commerce, and 1-800 call lines. But someone still has to answer the phone, enter data into computers, and assist customers who fall through the electronic cracks. And such human audit of the growing power of computerized commerce requires more, not less, educated workers than ever before.

And here is where problems arise.

Too many of us are growing more illiterate — reading less and watching television more. A conservative estimate of the national high-school dropout rate is 20 percent. Even for those who graduate, too often a therapeutic curriculum emphasizing self-esteem; race, class, and gender issues; and drug, alcohol, and sex education has crowded out language, science, and math.

A highly complex society, staffed by those who are unable to read well and compute at basic levels, can be terrifying. One mathematically inept transcriber or an American receptionist who cannot speak fluent English can do the public a lot of damage.

Their mistakes can get embedded into complex computers — the force multipliers of human error — whose functions they do not fully understand, which in turn automatically begin sending out mistaken notices, bills, and payments.

To rectify these mistakes, the exasperated consumer dials in to a computer bank, pushes various buttons, is put on hold and, with luck, eventually finds a living, breathing real person — in India. (That said, Indian fixers often prove to be better educated and speak more precise English than their American counterparts.)

In the last year, I had many brushes with this growing dysfunctional side of America — experiences now common to millions. A Macy
s clerk copied my address wrongly; then others sent three bills to a nonexistent location; and then, without my knowledge, still another reported the undelivered bill to a credit bureau.

DirecTV charged me each month for unwanted NFL football premium channels. Every time I called to stop payments, the
American phone-bank receptionists either put me on hold, failed to understand basic requests, or spoke English so poorly that communication was nearly impossible.

Most recently, a forger somehow got hold of my Citibank check-router number and began writing phony checks. In our impersonal world, the charges went through unnoticed to my account — even though the forger used clearly counterfeited checks with differently printed names and addresses from my own. We are a long way from my grandfather
s world, where an actual person would have spotted such amateurish fraud.

I am sure that corporate dons, in their profit-loss models, have factored in all these potential foul-ups — and concluded that the greater profits of hiring poorly paid, poorly educated clerical workers — or simply turning everything over to impersonal computer audit — outweighs the greater risk.

But, on the other end of the equation, modern life is becoming not so modern at all for the rest of us. The more sophisticated the chain of our culture becomes, the more it is rendered vulnerable to a single weak link of the ever-more unsophisticated — costing us time, money, and peace of mind.

Unless our schools return to an emphasis on language and mathematics, and then hire better auditors of our electronic world, it will not matter how many innovative thinkers like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, or Warren Buffett America produces.

Just a few poorly educated cogs in our vast electronic wheel can easily undo their work, making our glorious postmodern life once again premodern.


Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a recipient of the 2007 National Humanities Medal. © 2009 Tribune Media Services, Inc.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Technical
KEYWORDS: education; error; school; technology; vdh; victordavishanson
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1 posted on 05/21/2009 1:22:14 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

And a few inept people in high government positions can also take us there. Back to the stone age.


2 posted on 05/21/2009 1:28:29 PM PDT by mulligan (A)
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To: neverdem
Too many of us are growing more illiterate — reading less and watching television more.

Got that right.

Amazing << Hear this. Feel this, and tell me that this isn't music.

Oh, dear...


3 posted on 05/21/2009 1:28:59 PM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: neverdem

Oh hell ... we are the vanguard in every area of human endeaverance ... thanks to the God given, recognized and blessed wisdom used by the framers.


4 posted on 05/21/2009 1:31:46 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: neverdem
There are those that define post-modernism as ultra-moderism. Others believe that we are in a post-post-modern age. I will be the first to say that I do not have a clue anymore as to what philosophical category to label the times in which we live. If I did, it would something along the lines of post-rationalism and non-realism. Obama is a prime example. People have created their own virtual reality, and facts mean nothing. Fantasy is reality. Pretending that something is true, makes it true. Obama and many in this culture live in a fantasy that ignores economic principle, moral absolutes, and natural law. Post modernism many deny that there is absolute truth, but we live in an age in which truth is the enemy.
5 posted on 05/21/2009 1:35:06 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: neverdem

I know, let’s contemplate our navel. The world is falling apart and he wants to know if we are pre or post modern.

WE ARE DOOMED.


6 posted on 05/21/2009 1:36:08 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Calling all Son's of Liberty)
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To: neverdem
(That said, Indian fixers often prove to be better educated and speak more precise English than their American counterparts.)

If you say so, Davis-I've yet to run across one who was more than minimally intelligible, or capable of doing anything but reciting a canned "answer" from a script. Maybe there's better ones out there-but I've yet to run across one, much less do so "often".

7 posted on 05/21/2009 1:39:38 PM PDT by kaylar
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To: neverdem
I heard the counter argument put forth by Dalrymple: THAT IT IS PRECISIELY BECASUE OF TERTIARY EDUCATION THAT ALOWS THE POPULATION NOT TO DISTIQUISH FROM GOOD AND BAD, VALUABLE FROM WORTHLESS.

Dalrymple sates, “it was only with the spread of tertiary education that there were enough apostles of aesthetic and cultural relativism to spread the rumor that there was no proper foundation to objective judgment. Metaphysical notions are not necessary to change society: rumors of such notions will do just as well, but even rumors need a critical mass of people to spread them. That is to say, when large numbers of people, who might once have accepted the aesthetic judgments of their educational superiors, became aware that those judgments rested upon shifting metaphysical sands and, unlike the Church, were not founded upon a rock. What had once been a puzzle to an elite became a weapon in the hand of a multitude chafing at the bit of civilized restraint: ergo Anthrax, Megadeth, and Slayer, and a decline in cultural standards with a rise in the general level of education. Bad art is far easier to produce than good, and if it is generally believed that there is no real distinction between the two, the will to produce the latter will be sapped.”

8 posted on 05/21/2009 1:40:08 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Tolik

My sister got what appeared to be a genuine email from her bank. It was a scam. Technology cuts both ways. She wound up having to close old checking accounts and opening new ones.


9 posted on 05/21/2009 1:52:33 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: kaylar
If you say so, Davis-I've yet to run across one who was more than minimally intelligible, or capable of doing anything but reciting a canned "answer" from a script. Maybe there's better ones out there-but I've yet to run across one, much less do so "often".

From what I've read and heard, call-center work is not highly regarded and doesn't exactly attract the best and brightest in India any more than it does here. Spending all night answering calls from angry, sometimes abusive customers on the other side of the planet means very high job turnover among a young employee base, most of whom have no intention of working at a call-center a second longer than necessary.
10 posted on 05/21/2009 1:57:18 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I don’t doubt it- I just question whether VDH “often” runs across excellent CSR’s when most people’s experience with call centers/help lines doesn’t match up with his. The credit card reps are the least awful that I’ve had experience with, the folks working for insurance companies are the worst.


11 posted on 05/21/2009 2:03:47 PM PDT by kaylar
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To: neverdem

Is America Premodern or Postmodern?

...not postmortem I hope...


12 posted on 05/21/2009 3:16:41 PM PDT by AndrewB (FUBO)
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To: AndrewB

LOL!

I think you have the correct diagnosis...


13 posted on 05/21/2009 3:30:20 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1993905/posts)
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To: kaylar

I tend to agree with you - the overseas people are relying on a script of some kind. It seems they thank you after everything you say.

Anecdote from today: I had a (seemingly) fine young gent from Delta Air Lines do a fantastic job on a problem I was facing. (Thanks Mark!!!)


14 posted on 05/21/2009 3:52:13 PM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
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To: RipSawyer

ping


15 posted on 05/21/2009 8:03:41 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Change has come to America and all hope is gone.)
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To: neverdem; Lando Lincoln; SJackson; dennisw; kellynla; monkeyshine; Alouette; nopardons; ...


    Victor Davis Hanson Ping ! 

       Let me know if you want in or out.

Links:    FR Index of his articles:  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=victordavishanson
                His website: http://victorhanson.com/
                NRO archive: http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson-archive.asp
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16 posted on 05/22/2009 4:49:14 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: neverdem

“Is America Premodern or Postmodern?”

Neither.....it’s post-MORDEM

Too many DEM’s


17 posted on 05/22/2009 5:53:52 AM PDT by TheRobb7 (If you are really conservative, you join the war – where it counts.)
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To: neverdem

The only hope for the duds of America is private schools. Govt. schools will never work. Biggest down side is these idiots voted in zero.


18 posted on 05/22/2009 6:58:38 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: rdb3

Speaking of Nuttin But Stringz, you might give this one a listen. It doesn’t exactly rock but I still like it. (There used to be a link at my 10/30/38 post but the poster got banned so the link was deleted.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV3SHBFyDZM


19 posted on 05/22/2009 7:26:07 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: AndrewB
Others believe that we are in a post-post-modern age.

We appear to be on the downhill side of civilization.

20 posted on 05/22/2009 7:26:35 AM PDT by oldbrowser (This is not an administration, it's a crime syndicate.)
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