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How to Deprogram a Liberal in One Year Or Less
American Thinker ^ | May 21, 2009 | Robin of Berkley

Posted on 05/21/2009 10:30:22 AM PDT by MtnClimber

Edited on 05/21/2009 5:19:54 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

So what do you do when you realize that everything you've ever thought and believed no longer worked for you? Where do you go when the bubble of progressive politics bursts in your face and you're left in the leftist place on earth? It seems that the choices are as follows: either you cling to your beliefs even more zealously and attack anyone who dares to disagree. Or, if you're like me, you embark on a journey of discovery and recovery.

I wrote another piece recently for American Thinker, a letter of amends to conservatives. In it I described why I transformed from a Berkeley leftist to a talk radio loving conservative the last 1 1/2 years. I realized the Democratic Party wasn't what I thought, that it had mutated into something mean and rough, and that I had probably been living in a fantasy world all along.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
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To: sickoflibs

I don’t quite see the distinction between them, and the rats who want more social services but want somebody else to pay for them.


41 posted on 05/21/2009 2:47:52 PM PDT by mrsmel (Put the Gitmo terrorists near Capitol Hill.)
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To: MtnClimber

BTTT!


42 posted on 05/21/2009 5:09:56 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: jonrick46

While I agree that derivatives should be regulated, Gramm’s deregulations saved many banks from ruin with the real estate boom/bust.


43 posted on 05/21/2009 5:50:43 PM PDT by rmlew ( The SAVE and GIVE acts are institutioning Corvee. Where's the outtrage!)
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To: sickoflibs
It's the “tax cuts cure all ills” and “tax cuts pay for themselves” narratives used in context with Bush record. Tax cuts have definite benefits but trying to defend those two simple messages have backfired.

Every single time taxes have been cut from JFK to Reagan to Bush the actual amount of money collected has increased and the economy has been stimulated. The problem is that the congress has simply ramped up spending even more. As far as your point about the slavish devotion to Dubya even when he was awful (amnesty, Harriet Miers, spending) and then backing McRino I agree.
44 posted on 05/21/2009 6:01:58 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: capt. norm; Balding_Eagle; TheOldLady; Jeff Chandler; jonrick46; Reeses; dennisw; Impy
RE :”Go back to the Reagan tax cuts which did the same thing....the incoming revenue increased. Don't try and mix it with unrelated things(spending and money printing are not related to increased tax revenues )

Unrelated ???

When you hear this nonsense on talk radio you really need to think about it a few seconds before you accept it as fact. Both Bush and Reagan cuts taxes AND increased spending at the same time (printed money in Bush case) hired many new government workers. Each government worker (paid for on borrowed money) paid taxes they wouldnt have paid if the government hadnt hired them (like Obama now) by deficit spending. So tax revenues went up with the deficit, that proved nothing about tax cuts. The IRS has no data showing the origin of the increased tax revenue when tax cuts and deficit spending together increases the deficit, that is complete non-sense repeated on talk radio and repeated by the robot listeners, without question.

Obama is raising revenue by deficit spending too, so what?? He has co-opted these simple-ton arguments by claiming new health care entitlement will pay for medicare deficit. It as silly as saying “if you pay no taxes you pay more taxes.” In fact he is using that argument to for tax credits to his voters.

45 posted on 05/21/2009 6:10:03 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama /Pelosi/Bush Theme : "A dollar borrowed or printed is a dollar earned!")
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To: Tailback
RE :”Every single time taxes have been cut from JFK to Reagan to Bush the actual amount of money collected has increased and the economy has been stimulated. The problem is that the congress has simply ramped up spending even more.

See #45. Talk radio Urban legend! Especially under Bush

46 posted on 05/21/2009 6:12:03 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama /Pelosi/Bush Theme : "A dollar borrowed or printed is a dollar earned!")
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To: icwhatudo

I’ve given this a lot of thought over the years.

My theory is that while many of us on the “left” and the “right” think that we’re issue driven, I think to a far greater extent than we probably realize we choose a team to root for (like rooting for the Red Sox or the Yankees) and then parrot the party lines of our team. I don’t say it’s all that - but I think it’s a lot of that.

Quick what’s your position on brassiere tariffs? On our relationship with NATO? On the correct multiplier for Medicare?

I’m being a bit absurd but you get the idea. Many of the potential issues are highly technical and don’t lend themselves to easy slogans.

I think just as in high school we decide if we prefer the smelly hippies and aging pony tail dudes, or we prefer the guys in the truck commercials. And then we get our talking points once we choose up sides.

Which tells me that you don’t deprogram people all that easily. Folks on this forum aren’t going to want to start hanging out with Cindy Sheehan anytime soon. And folks on the other side ain’t going to cozy up to Dick Cheney.

So much of this stuff I think is subliminal and goes back to who you hung out with in high school. Or what movies you like.


47 posted on 05/21/2009 6:20:59 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: MtnClimber

The United Sates of Mercury....where EVERYTHING is FLUID! God Bless Robin.....wonder who she voted for.


48 posted on 05/21/2009 6:46:05 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: sickoflibs; capt. norm; Balding_Eagle; TheOldLady; Jeff Chandler; jonrick46; Reeses; dennisw; ...

Hey guys, I see the old adage about arguing with a fool applies here.


49 posted on 05/21/2009 6:46:30 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Willful ignorance is a dangerous attitude.)
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To: Balding_Eagle; capt. norm; TheOldLady; Jeff Chandler; jonrick46; Reeses; dennisw; Impy; ...
It's so simple but it goes against what you want to believe, that government spending is free. If you borrow money to hire new/more teachers ,they pay taxes increasing revenues and the deficit too like Bush did. So you claim Bush cutting taxes, some voters pay none now, was the cause of the tax revenue increase you got when he borrowed.

It's like paying your credit card bill on time with the checks they send you and claiming the credit card ‘paid for itself’ and you got the 1% point rewards as a bonus then blaming someone else when you run over the credit limit.

Here's good place to start to break your addition of the fairy Tales:Austrian Recipe vs. Keynesian Fantasy (GDP measure includes government spending)

50 posted on 05/21/2009 7:06:18 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama /Pelosi/Bush Theme : "A dollar borrowed or printed is a dollar earned!")
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To: MtnClimber

btt


51 posted on 05/21/2009 7:11:15 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: sickoflibs; Balding_Eagle; capt. norm
It's like paying your credit card bill on time with the checks they send you and claiming the credit card ‘paid for itself’ and you got the 1% point rewards as a bonus then blaming someone else when you run over the credit limit.

Good analogy.

Taxes were "cut" yet not "cut," since government borrowing is essentially a deferred tax increase on a future generation.1 There is no free lunch, after all. At the end of the day, someone has to pay the bill. In this case, that "someone" is the present and future generations of young Americans.

I've read arguments here on Free Republic that the size and scope of government is secondary to physical safety. In other words, a certain life in slavery is preferable to the chance of death as a free man or woman. However, suggesting that somehow freedom is worth less than temporary safety is folly, and it's not at all conservative.

Ultimately, having more government today may seem quite nice in the short term, but some day, the piper will come to collect his pay, and the youth of America will have been bound by their predecessors to satisfy their nation's debts, through de facto slavery if necessary--and to place such a terrible burden on future Americans is morally wrong and utterly contemptible.

1 It's a commitment to the creditor that a future taxpayer will satisfy the debts, a commitment made without the consent of the future taxpayer. And as such, excessive government borrowing constitutes a form of involuntary servitude.

52 posted on 05/21/2009 7:22:29 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

bras should be banned. nato needs some work. and medicare should be abolished.


53 posted on 05/21/2009 8:05:10 PM PDT by madamemayhem (what would john wayne do?)
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To: Lizavetta

Been there and done this.

You lose.

But you gain reality.


54 posted on 05/21/2009 8:07:55 PM PDT by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: MtnClimber
I have heard it can be done in five minutes or less. Mostly when mugged by a minority.
55 posted on 05/21/2009 8:09:51 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Oh but Clinton had to fix it!!!! /s


56 posted on 05/21/2009 8:11:09 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: sickoflibs
Then you ain't seeing fiscal conservatism... you're seeing nanny-state conservatism.

Fiscal conservatives want small government and low taxes, period.

57 posted on 05/21/2009 9:17:09 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: donna

You have a point.


58 posted on 05/21/2009 9:35:36 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Balding_Eagle

Well said.


59 posted on 05/21/2009 10:40:40 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The Obama Administration is a blueprint for Fabian Socialism.)
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To: sickoflibs

Levin is smarter and wittier than you could ever dream of being. How many number one best sellers have you written?


60 posted on 05/21/2009 11:02:10 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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