Posted on 05/21/2009 5:57:28 AM PDT by Uncle Sham
We the People have a serious problem facing us. We have an out of control government hell-bent on further enslaving us at breakneck speed. This government displays a piece of paper every now and then called the Constitution, mostly at election time in an effort to comfort us into thinking that somehow it is being obeyed. We know differently, don't we?
We have a person pretending to be President who has yet to prove to me or to anyone else for that matter that he is actually eligible to serve under the provisions of Article two of the Constitution. Our elected officials, as you will see below, are REQUIRED to ensure that he is in fact eligible. It is our job as citizens to put the heat on them (our elected officials) to do their primary job as defined in the Constituion, to "support it". We have the legal case to do this and I'm going to post this so that EVERYONE who thinks we are powerless to do something about this understands how best to go about it. We need to find the legal remedy enabling us to charge our representatives with disobeying their oaths of office and start removing them one by one. Here is the case.
Exhibit A, The Twentieth Amendment, Section 3 reads as follows:
" ”3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President electshall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.”
Exhibit B U. S. Code, CITE: 3USC19
TITLE 3--THE PRESIDENT, CHAPTER 1- PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS AND VACANCIES
Sec. 19. Vacancy in offices of both President and Vice President; officers eligible to act
”(a)(1) If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, upon his resignation as Speaker and as Representative in Congress, act as President. “
Exhibit C: U. S. Constitution, Article Six Oath of Office for elected officials:
” The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”
Exhibit D: The Electoral Vote Counting Act of 1877:
The process currently provides that someone “challenge” the electoral votes during a short, specified time frame while the Electoral College votes are opened and tabulated. This process does not cover challenges to "eligibility" qualifications. In fact, if this act pretends to do so in the manner in which it prescribes, it is unconstitutional. Any act of this sort that does not require that qualifications be presented by the President elect serves to undercut the provisions in the Constitution itself. No act that does not support the Constitution is constitutional. In order to change the requirements of the Twentieth amendment, one would need to pass another amendment. An “Act” doesn’t cut the mustard.
The portion in bold stating “or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify” in section three is particularly interesting in that it plainly seems to infer that a “qualification” of some sort must be made in order to serve as President. Certainly, one cannot argue that it does not require a qualification process for one to “qualify”. To infer that the lack of a “specified” qualification process means that stated eligibility “qualifications” for the office of president can be ignored is fallacious. The wording of this passage in the twentieth amendment clearly infers that a qualification is required, regardless of how this is done.
There is only one set of qualifications listed anywhere in the Constitution that are not health related and they are listed in Article two, section one.
” No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
To satisfy meeting the requirement of the twentieth amendment to “qualify”, a president elect must present evidence that he meets it’s requirements for eligibility to serve. This means that a proper birth certificate HAD to be presented by the president elect in order to serve as president. If this was done, where is that certificate and to whom was it presented? If this was done, why would we not have the right to verify and inspect it under the freedom of information act?
If it was NOT done, then under the provisions of the twentieth amendment, Barrack Obama has “failed to qualify” and should not be serving as president of the United States of America.
Based upon the above, I conclude that:
1. We currently have a vacancy at President because no one has yet “qualified” as required in the Twentieth amendment. The terms "The President elect shall have failed to qualify" clearly places this burden upon the President elect and not on someone raising their hand in objection.
2. Anyone serving in Congress (see “Congress” in bold in Exhibit A), or anyone who is currently serving under the oath of office in Article six has "standing" and can DEMAND that their oaths be met by receiving proper “qualifying” documentation from Mr. Obama. This charade at the time of counting the Electoral College votes does not limit their ability to do so at any time they so choose. The very fact that they are duty-bound by oath to "support" the Constitution REQUIRES them to respond to any and all attacks against it. No judge can deny any of them the standing to do so. It would ask them to break the law in their effort to enforce the law.
3. We need to start pressing legal charges against all of our local representatives and senators covered by the oath of office in Article six for disobeying their oaths to support the Constitution as it pertains to the language of section three of the Twentieth amendment. Put PRESSURE on them to represent the document that gives them their authority in the first place. We are looking into how best to do this down here. We all should be looking into this approach. NOW.
We've become inured to it, it's been going on since the 1960s. Starting with Barry Goldwater (born in U.S. territory, not yet a state). Continuing on with George Romney (born in Mexico). "Child of U.S. citizen parents, born on U.S. soil?" -- have we defined this other than in oral tradition? I know I was taught it in high school, but is it on the books anywhere?
And since the 1960s, we've had Bill Richardson (son of "immigrants" but did they ever become citizens?), John McCain (U.S. citizen parents, but he was born in Panama), etc. People are talking about Bobby Jindal as Presidential material, yes he was born here, but his parents weren't citizens at his birth.
We have to be consistent. And because we aren't consistent, we can't stand as a united front on this matter.
There are so many examples of Presidential candidates whose natural-born status was iffy at best, it's not at all surprising that one finally slipped through the cracks.
Well, the problem is if there's 'a camera rolling' we need to get the film out of the camera so that we can PROVE that the policeman WILLFULLY 'turned his head' -- even though he KNEW a crime was being committed.
The reality is we MUST have hard evidence that transcends our suspicion that the 'cop' is corrupt.
Now add to that that not only is the cop, corrupt, but the whole precinct... maybe all the way to the chief of police!
Now the "cops" in this analogy represent the congress and other leaders that we empower.
Some may be corrupted and some may be incompetent and some may have just assumed -- like most of us did at first -- that Obama was properly vetted.
So we need to show through records, documents, and other evidence, that certain people KNEW that there were serious problems with Obama's documentation and WILLFULLY choose to conceal the information.
We need some investigative reporting from the inside... a "smoking gun," so to speak.
In the meantime we have to do everything we can to keep this issue alive until the public at large begins to ask:
Why won't Obama release his vault birth certificate and other vital recards?
What is he hiding?
At that point others -- such as Rush Limbaugh, for instance -- that are now afraid to broach the subject of Obama's eligibility for fear of being labeled a kook, or of the "fringe," may get the courage to bring the issue to the forefront.
STE=Q
This is part of the pattern and practice of which I spoke.
An example of this, simple, but analogous, is a lease or Landlord/Tenant contract. The Lease is a legally binding document that spells out what the landlord expects, permits, or does NOT permit such as:
No Pets
No smoking
No children
But if a tenant decides to have a cat, and the landlord sees it but says nothing the first time, nothing the second time, etc., he can not decide 6 months later to evict the tenant for having a cat, nor can he force the tenant to be rid of the cat unless it has done something outrageous and caused damage that is not normal for a cat.
He has given tacit permission by saying nothing for too long. No judge will find for the landlord in a case like this.
And so it goes.
We have allowed politicians to get away with literal murder and done nothing for too long. It didn't affect us personally. NOW, we are ALL affected, but were silent for so long, they do not hear us when we speak, and if they do, they don't care.
We have given them the power, and they are using it.
You are 100% correct.
But there is also another principle where a Judge may hold someone to a "higher" standard because of their superior knowledge and expertise in a certain field.
For instance a policeman or a lawyer -- as officers of the court -- would be expected to have Superior knowledge of the law.
I would think the above would also apply to our elected officials in congress.
Certainly they would have a fiduciary relationship with their constituents based on the 'trust' of the later.
The public has a reasonable expectation that the aforementioned public servants will not violate the public trust.
Of course dishonesty and fraud are grounds to void a contract.
Therefore, a "pattern" of fraud would not alter the contract (by analogy) -- it would void it.
STE=Q
"His job is NOT to prevent crime. His job is to investigate the crime afterwards, and prosecute the criminal(s) if there is enough proof a criminal can/will be found guilty."Next, you posted
" I would also suggest that guns don't kill people, people do, and if a guy pulls a gun in front of a cop, he deserves to be shot dead on the spot...before he shoots anyone"
So in one instance the cop must wait for a crime to occur before getting involved, and in the other instance, he can "kill" someone BEFORE a "potential" crime might occur. Your argument doesn't make sense.
You posted as well
"It is so TRULY evil that whoever is behind it would no more think twice about you or me or my child, let alone this country, than the man in the moon."
Perhaps cowardice is what we are dealing with here on a MASSIVE scale. It's time that we as a nation either admit to this and do whatever we must to overcome it, or it's over. Our elected representatives are our first line of defense in enforcing the one thing that protects all of us, the Constitution. If it has been reduced to a farce, it's time we find out once and for all.
I should have written at the end of post #45:
Dishonesty and fraud, in a contract, would be unenforcible in court. Nor would a "pattern" of fraud be enforcible in court -- even if it were "tacitly" accepted.
STE=Q
Surely, you jest.
How many Congresspeople do YOU "trust?" How many do you think have superior knowledge of the Constitution they so grievously flaunt? What part of the Constitution says we should have a permananent sitting Congress?
I would point out that even if it was true, they make their own rules and protect themselves against us, against the law, with no regard for the Constitution, us, or the country they are supposed to serve.
In point of fact, these critters pick and appoint the very judges who might be called upon to later judge them.
If fraud was enough to send these swine packing, the Capitol would be deserted.
At any rate, this is far afield from the problem we face today. This country is wounded and bleeding profusely. SOMETHING must be done.
SOMEONE knows the truth. Someone has the evidence. We have to look beyond the government and find the head of the snake. It still requires some measure of cooperation from those who have avoided it thus far. I don't see it happening.
We have just seen the National Archives robbed for the second time. BOTH times, the missing contents would expose and/or incriminate the Clintons. What is stashed away in the Clinton Library?
I believe that is the root of this. AND I believe that Bill Clinton is the most dangerous man on earth bar none.
McCain showed his original birth certificate to the Senate, and they voted to verify his NBC status, even though McCain is stll technically not an NBC. However, both of his parents were US citizens who were stationed abroad in the service of this country, and McCain made no effort, whatsoever, to hide any of his documentation.
Obama, on the other hand, has never proven where he was born and to whom he was born. He has done everything in his power to keep his original birth certificate from being seen, and as you already know, he has also suppressed the release of every other piece of supporting documentation.
WE've never had a situation where a Presidential candidate, not only was born in another country, not only had dual or triple citizenship, but who clearly has allegiances that are not to this country.
What makes Obama ineligible to be POTUS is not just the lack of his NBC status, but also his criminal behavior, which should have kept him from the White House and landed him in the Big House.
From now on, and for all elections to come, we will be applying the Rule of Law consistently in demanding that all candidates prove their eligibiity.
However, that will not stop those who oppose the Rule of Law and will be seeking to break it consistently.
bttt
March 12, 2008 by the DNC. McCain showed his original birth certificate to the Senate, and they voted to verify his NBC status, even though McCain is stll technically not an NBC. However, both of his parents were US citizens who were stationed abroad in the service of this country, and McCain made no effort, whatsoever, to hide any of his documentation. Obama, on the other hand, has never proven where he was born and to whom he was born
The RATS knew all too well.
http://zapem.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/obama-knew-he-wasnt-eligible-for-potus/
When it gets posted, click on his special Memorial Day show and hear the discussion regarding the BC issue.
Thanks for the heads-up on that.
I’m trying to locate a transcript or the archive of the Memorial Day Special Show and having no luck. If you find it, please let me know. If I find it, I’ll ping it to you.
My local station went back and forth during the Nascar race which was postponed from Sunday. I only caught little segments.
Leaving aside the flaw in your cop argument, I am not here to fight with you or anyone else. I seek the truth wherever it leads.
As to your comment above, I believe that has already been made sufficiently and abundantly clear.
When the Supreme Court took away our property rights, they not only violated their oaths, but they violated us. We have been raped and now we are traumatized as most rape victims are, paralyzed, dazed, and confused.
We are a nation in chaos. The unity of purpose necessary to break this cycle has not yet evolved. The strength we need to overcome this can only come if we, as a nation, decide our common purpose outweighs our separate differences.
We are not accustomed to hardship. It isn't something we invite. But it IS what we must face together if this country is to survive as a Constitutional Republic. It is frustrating and painful, and it will only get worse. Personally, I pray. ALOT.
I disagree. Had a federal investigation been launched into his Campaign's involvement in creating and distributing a forged COLB, Obama's silence would not protect him. Withholding information from a federal or grand jury investigation is itself a crime. Just ask Bubba.
OBama could have taken the Fifth, but that surely would have raised more questions about his involvement, not less. It would have taken these accusations out of the realm of rumor or conspiracy theory and thrust it into the realm of obstructing justice.
There cannot be anyone else responsible for condoning the forgery, except himself. If caught, however, he could use a "plausible deniability" excuse like, "All that I said to my staff was that I need to get a copy of my BC to show people that I was born in Hawaii. I never told anyone to fabricate one."
It didn't work for Nixon. It didn't work for Clinton, although the "I was out of the loop" excuse did work for Reagan. Given all of the facts in this case, and the attempts to brush them off as "garbage" or to cover them up, ignorance would not be his best defense, nor would it be a confirmation of his innocence.
Of course, his libtard supporters will refuse to believe that The One is capable of doing anything illegal.
The reason that Obama will not be prosecuted for the forgery is because NONE of the people pursuing eligibility suits are going to crawl out of the little, legal boxes they built for themselves, and actually do something about it. Getting them to even "Think outside the box" was met with indifference.
I've spoken about this many times before. They all had their chances to prevent Obama from being elected. I told them how to do it back in June, and a hundred times since, but they chose to ignore it. The "birthers" were split into two camps: one claiming that Obama was a British citizen at birth and getting him to show his original birth certificate was "counterproductive" or a "waste of time." In the other camp are the Orly's and the Berg's who insist that getting to see Obama's original vault birth certificate is the only way to prove that he is not eligible.
If I was on my own and had the resources and freedom to file my own lawsuit, I would have hired a team of experts to corroborate my findings, and I would have obtained all of the evidence needed to prove that a forgery was committed without ever having to see the original birth certificate!
When Obama's COLB was first posted on the Daily Kos on June 12, 2008, my subsequent foray into forensic analysis was motivated by the disbelief in what I saw and read, that so many people were treating what was an obvious forgery to me as a genuine document. I did not know at the time that Obama had refused to release his birth certificate, and my reasons for doing the investigation were not to verify Obama's eligibility.
I did it to confirm what I had been saying about Obama going back to 2004: that he is so dishonest and untrustworthy that he thinks nothing about breaking the law and defrauding Americans just to get himself elected.
So, I know that I'm probably dreaming here when I say that Obama cannot simply play dumb or throw his Campaign, Factcheck, and the entire State of Hawaii under the bus to avoid being linked to document fraud if an investigation were ever launched. The problem is, and has always been, that nobody wants to do that. Nobody wants to pursue the fraud angle which I continue to maintain is the surest path to discovery.
His campaign stated, for the record, that it was Obama, himself, who had obtained the COLB they posted on the Web.
In response to Berg's latest lawsuit, Obama's own lawyers stated, for the record, that Obama had sent a copy of his 2007 COLB to Factcheck for validation, AS WELL AS, allowing Facthceck to come by his campaign headquarters to photograph it.
Hawaii's Health Department also stated, for the record, via its Department Director and Communications Officer, that the State would not have issued Obama's COLB without his personal authorization to do so. Additionally, the Communications Director also stated, for the record, that Obama's Campaign had requested the COLB in June 2008. But, Obama's COLB has a date-stamp of June 2007.
I'd love to see how ZERO would avoid being linked if a formal investigation was launched into the origin of his COLB.
We need to keep people focused on the forgery instead of minimizing its importance. If you look at the history of all of the attempts made to divert attention away from the forged COLB, you'll see a very strange progression.
The first excuse was that "a US Senator would never risk his career and chances to become President by forging his birth certificte," to "If this was a forgery then Hillary Clinton would have said something about it," to "We emailed our image copy to Janice Okubo who said that "It looks just like my birth certificate," to Factcheck saying that "Our experts could find no evidence of forgery," to other "experts" saying the same thing, to other factchecking sites saying, "It looks real to me," to "a real graphics expert" saying that "Polarik is just, plain wrong," to "Forget about the birth certificate and concentrate on the real issues, to "Forget about the birth certificate - Obama's a dual citizen," to "the Ceritification of Live Birth does not have the same info as the long-form," to "the Ceritification of Live Birth was given out to foreign-born children," and finally, "Let's see that 'Vault' birth certificate! (but I don't remember why)."
My next move is to contact Adam Lambert and ask him to sing, "Is Anybody Listening" at Obama's next Press Conference while holding up a WANTED poster with a picture of the COLB.
Since he put the fraudulent doc on his website, that is acknowledgment in my book. Guilty as charged.
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