It's a Saiga-12 "assault" shotgun, like this one.
10 and 12 round stick mags, 20 round drums. No offense, but at closer engagement ranges (which is what I'm going to have around here), the shotgun rules over the rifle.
Posted on 05/20/2009 5:00:59 PM PDT by smokingfrog
Every day, Darren Newsom's three Bitterroot Valley Ammunition facilities crank out 300,000 rounds of ammunition.
It's not nearly enough.
“I'm going about 100,000 rounds in the wrong direction every day,” Newsom said. “We probably have about six months of back orders right now.”
Newsom has been in the ammunition manufacturing business for more than 20 years and he's never seen demand this high.
Fearful of the Obama administration's potential to tighten gun control laws, people from all over the country are stocking up on guns and ammunition.
“I went through the Clinton years and there was a bit of a scare then,” Newsom said. “This is like the Clinton years on steroids. � On the day of the election, our phones started going nuts. It hasn't stopped since.”
As a master distributor for ATK - the world's largest ammunition business - Bitterroot Valley Ammunition supplies other ammunition manufacturers around the country with the components needed to make bullets.
“I get a million primers in every other day and most are shipped out the very next day,” he said. “I have 100 million primers on back order right now. We just can't get enough of them.”
At a recent gun show in Salt Lake City, Newsom sold somewhere between 300,000 and 400,000 rounds in the first two hours.
“It's just unreal,” he said. “Somewhere in lots of basements around the country, there are millions of rounds of ammunition being stored.”
Local businesses have felt the ammunition shortage.
At Bob Ward's in Hamilton, Mike Matteson said there has been quite a run on ammunition and reloading supplies like bullets and powder since the election.
“We are especially low right now with pistol ammunition,” Matteson said. “There are four or five calibers that we don't even have on our shelves.”
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Or he’ll go crying to his rich and powerful sugar daddys and mommies behind the scenes to go after all of us!
Are we positive that the ammunition is going to “Our” side???
I'm sure there are some Statists out there that see the handwriting on the wall
Question is, IFand when they TRY to confiscate it, will it be somewhat “Selective”?
You’re right about the pistol and ammo. Very good deal right now.
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That CZ can also be a tool that can be used, in the appropriate circumstances, to acquire more modern hardware. Here’s my story:
About 15 years ago, a friend and I were visiting an older, Vietnam-vet acquaintance who lived nearby and shared our dedication to, and love for, liberty. When we found out that he had only one pistol and an old SMLE with a few dozen rounds of ammo, we started razzing him about it. “What about an M1A or an AR? Why do you have so little in the way of ammo?” His response will live with me forever: “You guys don’t know the history of warfare very well, do you? Idiots, don’t you know that the SMLE was once the best combat rifle in existence? If fires a .30 caliber bullet at well over 2,000 FPS, and it does so accurately for hundreds of yards. It’ll go through anything except a Level IIIA vest, and people wearing them are both slow and few in number. Guys, I don’t need to stockpile weapons or ammo - because the gun store is coming to my front door, or if I have enough warning of an impending visit, I’ll go hunting for it a couple miles away.”
The point being that most any handgun or rifle ever issued to any army will kill people with ease. The older stuff is generally more reliable, as the engineering was geared toward imperfect maintanence and lots of abouse by ill-educated peasants. Old isn’t, in other words, bad. Nor is ugly (even fugly). Foreign isn’t, either. Sometimes, those old foreign weapons are downright nasty and indestructible (like the MN-91s and SKS rifles, for instance, or the SMLE). Buy what you can that WORKS, and then practice a LOT with it - such may save your life someday.
Do yourself a favor with the 642: get the Crimson Trace laser grip. You don't have to buy it that way, the grip can be ordered via Midway and a host of other places. The 642's sights, to be highly technical, SUCK. It is a concealment gun, meaning that the sights are very low to the gun, and the sight radius is very short. Plus, the only time you're likely to use it will be in conditions of low or no light - and if you ever need to use it, you'll realize that the CT is worth its weight in diamonds.
Your uncle is the poster child for the saying, “A conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged.”
Want to have some fun? Tell him that (in front of other family members, of course), and ask how much he’s contributing to the Palin 2012 campaign. If he says, “Nothing” or something similar, say to him, “Oooohhhh, I see, you’re a Cheney fan - me, too!”
The 642's sights, to be highly technical, SUCK.LOL, that's what I would do if I were to get a 642 – aside of the issue of getting ammo for it.
The tax revolt is what will undo this thing. Look at Kali revenues for April: sales tax down nearly 50% vs prior year, income tax down 42% vs prior year. Kali is about 13% of the US economy, and much of the rest of the country is doing just as badly. The wheels are beginning to come off.
Designed to stop a cavalry charge by killing/disabling the horses at 600 yards.
The current world record for aimed bolt-action fire was set in 1914 by a musketry instructor in the British Army — Sergeant Instructor Snoxall — who placed 38 rounds into a 12 inch wide target at 300 yards (270 m) in one minute.
You call 5,000 rounds hoarding???
What is enough?
The target was actually a 24-inch diameter one, but Snoxall had all of his hits inside the 4-ring, which was 12 inches. Point well made, though - the Lord Roberts Match, or “Mad Minute” made the British Army of pre-WW1 into a bunch of rapid, accurate shooters. The Germans after being beaten back, badly bloodied, in one battle claimed that the Brits all had machine guns.
It has been said that in WWI the Germans had the best hunting rifle,the Americans had the best target rifle and the British had the best battlerifle. The latter is what we are after here.
The grips are about those colors, but not that fancy. Just vertical natural “stripes” of brown and gold.
Good point. They even invented a crude single shot .45 strictly as “a gun to get a gun.”
And you had to get to nearly touching range of a sentry to shoot him and pick up the other gun.
You have too much if it cracks your home’s foundation, sinks your boat, or causes an airplane crash due to its weight.
Getting harder to find though.
I believe in sufficiency and the ability to move quickly. See my tagline.
It's a Saiga-12 "assault" shotgun, like this one.
10 and 12 round stick mags, 20 round drums. No offense, but at closer engagement ranges (which is what I'm going to have around here), the shotgun rules over the rifle.
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