I wonder if these idiots, drunk with power and determined to gut our Constitution have decided what they will do when more than 50% of US Citizen adults are on that “no-fly no-buy” list?
Great denied firearms because you have a name that is similar to some whacko somewhere and can’t get yourself off the no-fly list.
Linking the No-Fly list to exercise of a Constitutionally-protected right will make the No-Fly list subject to judicial review.
Right now, the list is "secret". There's no published criteria for inclusion. There's no procedure for being removed. Linking it to gun ownership will require that it be opened up for all to see, and will make it subject to challenge.
I knew before I read it that the accompanying screed would invoke the catchphrases “loophole” and “common sense legislation.” There is a little problem with this legislation, however, at least in regard to American citizens - that inconvenient due process thingy. You’re supposed to get a trial before you’re punished. Silly of us, I know, but that’s the way it is.
This is an end-run at trying to take guns away from law-abiding citizens.
Interesting that each of the given examples already constituted a crime under existing gun laws.
I’ve got to believe that the courts will slap this down. We’re talking about the denial of a fundamental right, without due process. You aren’t even informed that you’re on the No Fly list, let alone given an opportunity to have a regular court proceeding (even on appeal from an administrative hearing) to have that changed. I have a BIG problem with the lack of Due Process regarding the No Fly list to begin with (because travel is a fundamental right), LET ALONE affecting another, unrelated, fundamental right.
Besides, the No Fly list is intended to keep dangerous people off of planes. We’re not so worried, on a federal level, with some nut shooting 1 or a few, or even a few dozen people - as bad as that is. Though that could be an act of terror, it is on a way different level from bringing down a plane, or using a plane as a giant cruise missile. If someone has been adjudicated as having done something that disqualifies them from owning a firearm, that’s a separate matter. But if they haven’t been, why is a mere suspicion of being a bad actor enough to deny a fundamental right????
Another catch 22. You have to be sane to buy a gun - only an insane person would want to buy a gun.
Unfortunately, "no brainer" describes quite a few congresspeople these days.
I think we should substitute other rights in for gun rights, and see how it works.
Nobody who is on the no-fly list should be able to get a driver's license. They could kill someone with their car.
Nobody who is on the no-fly list should be able to vote. They might put an anti-american socialist into the Presidency.
Nobody who is on the no-fly list should be able to own a phone. They might plot with other terrorists.
We should be allowed to invade the homes of people on the no-fly list, because they shouldn't have the 4th amendment protection against search and seizure.
We should be allowed to question people on the no-fly list without lawyers, and using harsh interrogation techniques, because they shouldn't have 5th amendment protections.
This is fun.
So 606 out of 650 incidents, people should not have been on the terrorist watch list but now these congress critters want to close a loophole that would have stopped 44 "known or suspected terrorists" from purchasing a gun while wrongly denying 606 law-abiding citizens their constitutional rights?
OK...so that law should also forbid any member of Congress,past or present,from owning a firearm or being protected by anyone who carries a firearm.
So we are going to ‘fix a problem’ so that terrorists and sympathizers cannot buy guns legally and use as examples situations where terrorists and sympathizers have purchased guns illegally.
I’m just checking the logic here...
Let's see ... "No brainer" Yup, that applies to every member of Congress PLUS all of the Executive Branch, plus all the agencies.
But.... "common sense?" That term has no application anywhere in Washington DC. So I guess the two cancel each other out.
From what I remember; the hijackers on Sept 11th used box cutters...boxcutters = guns to these wing nuts??? Just one more way for them to take away our rights.
Regards,
GtG
With as many people as you hear getting on their through no fault of their own or because they share the same name I think this is a really really bad idea.
On May 13 Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy and Congressman Steve Israel (NY-02) hosted a press conference to announce the introduction of the No Fly, No Buy Act, which seeks to close the ‘terror gap’ by preventing people whose names appear on the Transportation Security Administration’s terrorist “no fly list” from being eligible to buy guns.
Mrs. McCarthy is a pathetic excuse for a Congress person. Some nut went on the LIRR killed several people including her husband. The nut had a rifle. This case points up the fact that if some armed upstanding citizen had been on the train, people’s lives would have been saved. She’s been against guns ever since, never once condemning those who commit crimes with guns. Her husband is probably turning over in his grave.
Obviously no background checked involved with this incident.
On Feb. 23, 1997, Ali Abu Kamal opened fire on the observation deck of the Empire State Building with a handgun purchased in Florida in violation of federal law, killing one tourist and wounding six others before killing himself.
Broke the law to buy the pistol. Probably no background check done this time either
On March 1, 1994, Rashid Baz shot and killed 16-year old Ari Halberstam on an on-ramp to the Brooklyn Bridge. Baz was armed with a machine gun, a 9 MM pistol, and a “street sweeper” shotgun.
Machine guns are highly regulated, wanna bet this one did not go through any Class III dealer, or any other sort? If so, no background check was performed
On Nov. 5, 1990, El Sayed A. Nosair assassinated Rabbi Meir Kahane in a Manhattan hotel with a .357 revolver with a defaced serial number. Nosair was linked to the perpetrators of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
Defaced serial number...why that's illegal, and is indicative that gun laws were broken, and likely that no background check was made this time either.
So, once again, the "feel good" folks try to pass a law that would not have had any effect in the cases they cite as argument for their laws. One again, laws only affect the law abiding, which doesn't include any real terrorists.
How about if someone is on the "watch list", they go to trial, an if convicted, are expelled from the country, perhaps minus an appendage or three.