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Notre Dame honors Obama, dishonors all that is good - PROTEST LIVE THREAD, May 17, 2009
AIPNEWS.com ^ | May 17, 2009 | AIP Chairman Tom Hoefling, aka EternalVigilance

Posted on 05/17/2009 6:34:09 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

May 17, 2009

Please post all information about today's protests here.

My phone is already ringing steadily.

Our AIP folks on the ground at the Notre Dame gates report that the CBR plane is in the air.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: catholic; life; moralabsolutes; notredame; obama; prolife; protest
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To: Salvation
And why can't Obortion Obama and the dimocrats tell the difference?

That's a question I like. I like it because it indicates an openness to the real truth behind the actions of "progressive", humanistic, relativistic, and otherwise godless humanity.

While I am certainly no expert in the field, there have been many learned Biblical scholars that have traced the practice of abortion back through the ages of mankind. The concepts of spiritual darkness, spiritual blindness, and the resulting idolatry go way back to the beginning of the human experience.

In short, whether it is the example of the ancients worshipping "Ba-al" or "Molech" by sacrificing their infant children at a fiery altar, or modern-day people allowing their unborn children to be violently burned or torn apart -- the actuality is the same: Demonic spirits are being nourished with the innocent blood of these children.

So, why can't these people tell the difference? It's because they are either willingly or unwittingly in league with powerful beings in the dark realms of the spirit world. THIS is reality, and it explains a lot of what is going on in the world today that "seemingly makes no sense".
1,101 posted on 05/17/2009 3:03:14 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

Yes, I could make a few obvious comments, but, I want to keep the high moral tone of this thread intact.

Ain’t easy, though!


1,102 posted on 05/17/2009 3:03:34 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: nanetteclaret

I thought Keyes was a cradle Catholic.


1,103 posted on 05/17/2009 3:04:32 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: exit82

It would explain the hysterical enthusiasm and cheerleading for Obama.


1,104 posted on 05/17/2009 3:05:20 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: EternalVigilance
I was following the commentary on CNN. They had Raymond Arroyo on discussing ND with a priest.

The priest actually said that the Caholic Church is evolving.

Raymond may be in the need of duct tape to keep his head from exploding.

1,105 posted on 05/17/2009 3:05:31 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: mware
re: evolving

It's typical for them to view the Church in terms of political correctness.

1,106 posted on 05/17/2009 3:08:15 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: mware
The priest actually said that the Catholic Church is evolving.

The same kind of liberal crapola that is spouted by the "Constitution is a Living Document" fools in our law schools and courts.

1,107 posted on 05/17/2009 3:08:51 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: EternalVigilance

"He's evil."

- Alan Keyes, about Barack Obama

Bears repeating.

1,108 posted on 05/17/2009 3:10:30 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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To: Taffini

I thought the same thing.


1,109 posted on 05/17/2009 3:12:01 PM PDT by Global2010 (Catholics Come HomeAddress:http://www.catholicscomehome.org/about-us.phtml)
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To: Dionysius

Kmiec says:

I have been declared “self-excommunicated,” and recently at a Mass before a dinner speech to Catholic business leaders, a very angry college chaplain excoriated my Obama-heresy from the pulpit at length and then denied my receipt of communion.

Building a Bridge to Life – Abortion as Tragedy, not ‘Right’

It won’t help now that the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL) has endorsed Obama over Clinton. This is an endorsement that is deeply troubling unless the good Senator Obama intends to match it with the sobering acknowledgment that abortion is less “right,” than avoidable tragedy.

http://tinyurl.com/o23fhb

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Kmiec says:

while the Senator and I are in disagreement, it does not dim my enthusiasm for his presidency since I believe for the first time we will have a president who genuinely intends to address the poverty and anxiety that in the vast majority of cases determines a woman’s decision.

Second, I greatly respect Doug Johnson and his work in behalf of life. In this regard, he has been in this vineyard long enough to know that there is a meaningful difference between pro-abortion and pro-choice. Indeed, in Senator Obama’s case, it is more aptly a difference between criminalization and compassion, or to be even more fair to the approach advocated by Mr. Johnson, regulation and restriction or the encouragement of a responsible exercise of freedom.

In any event, Senator Obama has never been pro-abortion, and is not now.

Doug Kmiec: It is well known that Senator Obama has clearly stated on numerous occasions his support for restrictions on late term abortions. Indeed, Senator Obama has identified the need to draft a clearly defined health exception, the responsible narrowing of which Doug Johnson and I - and perhaps the entire right to life community — have been advocating for decades.

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Kmiec is also a LIAR! Obama supports LATE TERM ABORTION!!!

Before Kmiec speaks again about Obama’s purported commitment to “abortion reduction,” perhaps he should reflect on the question put to the Obama campaign by RHrealitycheck.org, a prominent pro-abortion advocacy website — “Does Sen. Obama support continuing federal funding for crisis pregnancy centers?” The Obama campaign’s official response was short, but it spoke volumes: “No.””

http://tinyurl.com/qqlclu


1,110 posted on 05/17/2009 3:12:12 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
evolving

It is a talking point, I switched over to Fox and Fr. Morris was arguing the point with some git from pepperdine who also claimed the Catholic Church was evolving.

Both comments within a 3 minute time period.

1,111 posted on 05/17/2009 3:12:40 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: EternalVigilance
I don’t know about Fr. Weslin

Fr Weslin was Lutheran. Not sure when he converted, but I think his wife was Catholic. His wife Mary, who founded unwed Mother's Homes was killed in a car accident in 1980. He became a Catholic Priest.

1,112 posted on 05/17/2009 3:13:11 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: July4

Pray for Obama’s opponents.


1,113 posted on 05/17/2009 3:14:21 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: Texas Eagle

Just curious why pick this day and this thread to get on your hobby horse? Your issues can be brought forth any time, Very poor taste, indded.


1,114 posted on 05/17/2009 3:15:35 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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To: EternalVigilance

Her sign is the main point.

Celebrating a baby killer like Barack is antithetical to Christianity, but it was done at a nominally Christian institution today.


1,115 posted on 05/17/2009 3:17:20 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: mware; livius; narses; EternalVigilance; exit82; chase19
From the text of Obama's speech:
"And this doubt should not push us away our faith. But it should humble us. It should temper our passions, cause us to be wary of too much self-righteousness. It should compel us to remain open and curious and eager to continue the spiritual and moral debate that began for so many of you within the walls of Notre Dame. And within our vast democracy, this doubt should remind us even as we cling to our faith to persuade through reason, through an appeal whenever we can to universal rather than parochial principles, and most of all through an abiding example of good works and charity and kindness and service that moves hearts and minds. "

He employed the usual jargon about being "open" to and tolerant of different views (i.e., moral relativism for abortion and stem cells). But who is guilty of following "parochial" principles here?

There is no "doubt" on these moral principles for the Christian.

1,116 posted on 05/17/2009 3:18:49 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: NoGrayZone
Dr. Keyes just called into Fox news. God bless that man.

I second that.

1,117 posted on 05/17/2009 3:18:58 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: Pyro7480
Please tell Mr Landry a big THANK YOU!!!

Truly, The three voices were like the Three Kings... and the crying baby was the voice of hope and love. No matter how dark the moment was, they are the little light that shines.

God Bless them all and protect them!

1,118 posted on 05/17/2009 3:19:07 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

Zero was trying to frame those that passionately defend the unborn as unreasonable,close-minded fanatics that just don’t really want to reduce abortions like the rest of sane-minded open minded Americans.

That was insidious nature of his slick speechifying.


1,119 posted on 05/17/2009 3:23:29 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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Obama, Late Term Abortion, & Infanticide. (Chicago Senate Bill 1662)

August 27, 2008

that Obama Proposed. Senate Bill 1662. The bill basically

Amends the Statute on Statutes. Defines “born-alive infant” to include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development. Defines “born alive” to mean the complete expulsion or extraction from the mother of an infant, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or
extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion. Effective immediately.

On Obama’s own site there is a chart from planned parenthood defending what bills “threatened” Roe V Wade. They saw defining a baby as alive once born as a THREAT! A THREAT! Here planned parenthood has shoved down the throat of my generation the lie that an inutero baby is not alive and therefore has no rights. Now they even say that of the born alive baby??? This is absolutely counter-intuitive.

Go here to view Obama’s “no” vote in the Senate Judiciary Committee on March 6, 2002. Bill 1663 Was a direct copy of bill 1662 and considered a “companion bill.

http://www.jillstanek.com/Senate_Committee_Vote_3502.pdf

Transcript of Obama’s verbal opposition to Born Alive on the IL Senate floor, April 4, 2002, pages 28-35

Obama’s “no” vote on the IL Senate floor, April 4, 2002

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pdf

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/02/links_to_barack.html


1,120 posted on 05/17/2009 3:23:42 PM PDT by kcvl
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