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The Five Stages of Collapse
Energy Bulletin ^ | Nov 11 2008 | by Dmitry Orlov

Posted on 05/16/2009 5:56:38 PM PDT by Lazamataz

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To: Southack

DANG!


81 posted on 05/16/2009 8:29:13 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: Cyber Liberty; Southack
DANG!

DANG, backwards, is only one letter away from "gonad".

I'm just sayin'.

82 posted on 05/16/2009 8:36:53 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Even though I live in the suburbs, I hang around with country folks because I train dogs and horses. Like they say, "a country boy can survive." They are resourceful, resilient, and stubborn.

Your comments in this thread are right on. I live in the Shenandoah Valley and the people I meet have those qualities you listed plus creativity (heck welders and truck drivers out here are more creative than most folks in the city).

They also have a keen sense of commerce and productivity, they make money by either making a tangible product, fixing something or making other people more productive. Whereas city employees will attend meetings, push paper, and ride bicycles to their meaningless jobs.

I can say from my own experience as a doom and gloomer that D&Gers often let emotion guide their reasoning. With this author it is his hatred of cars characterizing them as steel traps. On the way to Strasburg today I passed about 30 corvettes going the other way on Mountain Rd. Those people were not trapped and not driving steel boxes for that matter. The only problem with the road is coming around a curve at 50mph (limit 55) and coming up on a bicyclist from the city.

83 posted on 05/16/2009 8:36:58 PM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Lazamataz

But then I’d have to buy a vowel, and I’m always a little short after April 15....

How ya been, dude? I just read your Thanksgiving. Miss Slippy sends her love.


84 posted on 05/16/2009 8:39:50 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Aye bin gud.

Send slippy slippery love back.

85 posted on 05/16/2009 8:42:14 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Lazamataz

Done!


86 posted on 05/16/2009 8:44:57 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: Lazamataz

bttt


87 posted on 05/16/2009 8:46:29 PM PDT by Jacksonian Grouch (God has granted us Freedom; we owe Him our courage in return)
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To: Southack

Wow, I like your article much better. Good call.


88 posted on 05/16/2009 8:46:34 PM PDT by Bethaneidh (Be Good, sweet Maid. And Clever too, if you will.)
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To: Lazamataz

bttt


89 posted on 05/16/2009 8:47:47 PM PDT by dennisw (Your action becomes your habit. Your habit becomes your character, that becomes your destiny)
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To: Lazamataz
Laz my man !

Missed ya, bud.

Nam Vet

P.S. I'm gonna pour a glass of wine and settle in to reading.

90 posted on 05/16/2009 8:49:18 PM PDT by Nam Vet ("Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it." .... Henry David Thoreau)
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To: Southack

Your post mentions deflation about 20 times including many things that aren’t deflating (please call my insurance company and tell them to lower my rates). What you didn’t talk about is inflation. The issue is not what the economy will do, you are basically correct about that, but what the boneheads in government are doing / want to do. They are using inflation by the standard definition of expanding the money supply to try to counteract credit deflation. The result is obvious, the first stages of hoardiing and grossly excessive inventories of commodities and other raw materials as the world anticipates the inflationary boom that is coming. If we don’t have that boom, then we can kiss the financial system goodbye, so my money is on the boom, but I am also ready for some deflationary dips as well (got cash).


91 posted on 05/16/2009 8:49:30 PM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: palmer

The money supply isn’t expanding.

Pause.

Oh sure, you can post graphs of *cash* increasing due to government printing/borrowing...

...but the “money supply” is all available credit plus all available cash.

And credit has been destroyed faster than cash has been printed.

Thus, even while cash has increased, the overall cash+credit money supply has shrunk.

Deflation.

*oh, and you should shop your insurance around. Rates have plumeted, especially on term life insurance.


92 posted on 05/16/2009 8:53:05 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Lazamataz

Crucial. Thanks for posting this.


93 posted on 05/16/2009 8:59:38 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: AnAmericanMother
That was were the red flag went off for me.

Some good points also were made, so I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water. This author without knowing anything about him but just what I surmised from this article lives near or in a city. Is not religious, is anti capitalism in everyday attitudes.

He contradicts himself, we need government and he glamorizes socialism yet he summarizes that societal “mutual” responsibility is the way to go. Hmmm isn't that a republic/capitalistic way of thinking?

94 posted on 05/16/2009 9:04:25 PM PDT by 4Godsoloved..Hegave
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To: Southack

Credit isn’t money. I’m more interested in auto and home insurance and as repair costs went up those went up and never came back down with the fall in energy and other raw materials since last summer. What has to happen now is either an inflationary boom to save the insolvent banks by making their assets solvent or at least postponing their liquidation, or a continuation of what you properly ID’d as deflation with an unseverable hook to financial system insolvency and collapse. IOW, your deflation would be otherwise healthy is currently fatal. Therefore there will be an inflationary boom, you can bank on it or kiss you bank goodbye.


95 posted on 05/16/2009 9:11:28 PM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Squantos
Squantos said: "I prefer to believe external sources and internal subversion took down the USSR. "

In the failing Soviet Union there were lines of people waiting to buy bread that didn't exist. Nobody had the authority to create bread or its components.

Here in the U.S. a person could collect enough aluminum cans to buy a loaf of bread in probably a couple of hours and every supermarket has shelves loaded with bread.

I can't see how external sources or internal subversion can explain the lack of bread in the Soviet Union. The explanation is that individual responsibility and individual gain were outlawed. Without them, there is no bread.

96 posted on 05/16/2009 9:39:50 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: L,TOWM
We do have a nice national canary in the coal mine for this projection — watch California.

Great observation! I've really been watching California rather closely because parents and brother are there, but I think, in the back of my mind, I've been thinking about the above also.

Nam Vet

97 posted on 05/16/2009 9:56:52 PM PDT by Nam Vet ("Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it." .... Henry David Thoreau)
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To: goodnesswins

“Americans, MORE THAN MOST OTHER PEOPLE, need to be defended from each other at all times. I think that I would prefer martial law over complete and utter mayhem and lawlessness, though I admit that both are very poor choices.”

I have lived outside the U.S. for the past five years in Moldova, a communist controlled post Soviet country. I have to agree fully with the above statement. I can walk alone here any time of the night or day in the largest city or the smallest village with absolutely no fear for my personal safety. I cannot say that for any major city in the U.S. I shudder to think what will happen in the U.S. as the situation begins to worsen. A lot of smart people have been buying guns and ammo.


98 posted on 05/16/2009 10:27:35 PM PDT by flash2368 (Scary Times)
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To: Lazamataz

bump


99 posted on 05/16/2009 10:32:40 PM PDT by Taffini ( Mr. Pippen and Mr. Waffles do not approve)
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To: William Tell

Ronald Reagan.


100 posted on 05/16/2009 10:35:05 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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