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Democrats Divided On Gun Legislation
NPR ^ | May 14, 2009 | David Welna

Posted on 05/14/2009 12:51:21 PM PDT by neverdem

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The National Rifle Association's annual meeting kicks off in Phoenix on Thursday — and its members may have good reason to party.

The NRA has been scoring early and often on Capitol Hill despite a new president who has long supported tighter gun laws and in the face of bigger Democratic majorities in Congress.

Democrats may enjoy a near filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, but when it comes to voting on guns, it's a party divided. In February, 22 Senate Democrats joined most Republicans to amend a District of Columbia voting rights bill so that it essentially forbids the city from restricting gun ownership. And when a GOP-backed amendment came up this week on credit card legislation that would allow carrying concealed loaded weapons in national parks, 27 Democrats voted for it.

"Initially, it looked like we might stop that amendment," says Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the party's chief vote counter. "There were some encouraging votes early on, but then the momentum started moving in the other direction and became a landslide. Half of our caucus voted for it."

Big Gun Lobby 'A Fact Of Life Here'

Durbin says some fellow Democrats who did vote for loaded guns in national parks asked him later how many more times they'd have to face such votes. His answer: I don't know. Tellingly, all but one of the seven Democrats elected in November to seats previously held by Republicans voted for the gun measure.

South Dakota Republican Sen. John Thune says it may well have been a tough vote. "But I think there are a lot of people here who are afraid to vote against the Second Amendment," he says. "There are a lot of red-state Democrats, in the Senate at least, who view these issues a little bit differently than some of their other members of their caucus."

Indeed, several House Democrats had a news conference Wednesday to announce that they will try to reinstate a ban on assault weapons that expired five years ago.

"Our gangs are getting assault weapons, our police officers are being killed, and my voice will not be shut until we have a law here that will protect the average citizen," says Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY), a lead sponsor of the assault weapons measure.

California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein says she'd also like to see the assault weapons ban restored but that the votes simply aren't there in the Senate — and she blames the NRA.

"The NRA is a very powerful lobby," Feinstein says. "You know, when I came here, people said, 'Oh, you gotta watch out for big oil, big labor.' I found it was big guns, and that's just a fact of life here."

Fear Or A Shift In Public Sentiment?

But others espousing tighter gun laws say lawmakers are overly fearful of the NRA.

Paul Helmke of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence says, "A lot of politicians do fear the NRA. The NRA, I think though, has become more of a paper tiger. I think they really have less clout today than they used to, and I think a lot of what they're trying to do is to get as much as they can before they fully lose that clout."

NRA spokesperson Rachel Parsons counters that it's simply untrue that the group has lost any standing. She says there may be less clamor for new gun laws now, but gun owners are not about to let down their guard.

"While President Obama said that he just doesn't have the support for gun bans in Congress right now, he still says that that's one of his top priorities," Parsons says. "Gun owners know that. That's why they're going out in droves, purchasing firearms and ammunition across the country."

And although police officers in Oakland and Pittsburgh have been killed in recent weeks by gunmen armed with assault weapons, Senator Durbin says lawmakers appear unmoved.

"The climate when it comes to debating guns in Congress is very negative. People don't want to talk about it," he says.

Durbin calls it fear. But Sen. John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, says it has more to do with a shift in public sentiment against tougher gun laws. "Democrats seem like they've moved toward Republicans on these issues because they know where the country is," Cornyn says.

Judging by the votes taken so far, easing restrictions on guns may be one of the few issues in Congress this year with truly bipartisan backing.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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Coburn Amendment

Some rats got smart. What's with the GOP?

1 posted on 05/14/2009 12:51:22 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Unprecedented ammo and gun sales...

knowledge that this is a line in the sand...

equals timid gun grabbers.


2 posted on 05/14/2009 12:52:46 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: neverdem
What's with the GOP?

Temporary insanity

3 posted on 05/14/2009 12:53:12 PM PDT by wastedyears (Iron Maiden's gonna get ya, no matter how far!)
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To: neverdem

The republicans could do the same for immigration if they had the Cahonas.


4 posted on 05/14/2009 1:01:44 PM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: neverdem

BTTT !


5 posted on 05/14/2009 1:03:30 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: neverdem
The last time that the RATs were aggressive against the 2nd Amendment was in 1993. Guess what happened in 1994?

I'm hopeful that they pull all the stops and go gonzo against the 2nd Amendment.

6 posted on 05/14/2009 1:05:44 PM PDT by lormand ("Janet Napolitano should resign or be fired." - Congressman John Carter - My Congresscritter)
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To: MrB

“Unprecedented ammo and gun sales...”

.....just stopped by Walmart to pick up some 9mm....all sold out with no idea when more will arrive...a notice on the ammo shelf says no more than 6 boxes per customer will be sold....I heard in Florida they have a 2 box limit.

....the Dems from areas where gun ownership is popular are scared to touch this...they know it is the kiss of death.


7 posted on 05/14/2009 1:07:18 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: STONEWALLS

I haven’t seen a box of 9mm at Walmart since... October, maybe.


8 posted on 05/14/2009 1:09:44 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: MrB

Lots of walmart employees are snagging the stuff as soon as it is unloaded then reselling it on the street for double.


9 posted on 05/14/2009 1:13:20 PM PDT by Concho ( No Birth Certificate-No Census!)
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To: neverdem

“California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein says she’d also like to see the assault weapons ban restored but that the votes simply aren’t there in the Senate — and she blames the NRA.”

Its called a backbone and will to fight. I know when dealing w/ republicans on a daily basis its surprising to run into these types (true conservatives). I would only say ‘get used to it’ b/c more and more folks in fly over country are moving in that direction.


10 posted on 05/14/2009 1:15:07 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: neverdem

Never underestimate the arrogance of the left. These people will overturn the 2nd amendment one day, whether by direct or indirect means. Our reaction will be what counts.


11 posted on 05/14/2009 1:20:15 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Concho
Lots of walmart employees are snagging the stuff as soon as it is unloaded then reselling it on the street for double.

A lot of gun stores are slipping the walmart staff a few bucks on the side to let them know when the trucks come in. Then they show up and clean them out to resell in their store for twice the price. Other people are buying all they can and then selling it in online auctions and classifieds.
12 posted on 05/14/2009 1:26:24 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: neverdem

I renewed my membership last week. It’s very important to be a part of something that promotes individual rights against the onslaught of socialism. Individual gun ownership stands between you and tyranny! Join now if not a member! Even if you don’t own a gun, support the NRA!

http://www.nra.org/home.aspx


13 posted on 05/14/2009 1:28:34 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: neverdem
And when a GOP-backed amendment came up this week on credit card legislation that would allow carrying concealed loaded weapons in national parks, 27 Democrats voted for it.

ABOUT FREAK'IN TIME that the pro-gun side starts attaching amendments to "must pass" legislation. The other side has only been doing that for a few decades.

So, now that our side has finally figured this out, when is some bright person going to slip in a repeal of Title 18, Section 922(o) into a piece of critical legislation? HMMMM?

14 posted on 05/14/2009 1:41:48 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: STONEWALLS; MrB; Concho; TalonDJ

Tag-team with your like-minded friends and neighbors to make regular (and irregular) stops in Walmart and other stores to check inventory, and buy what you can for the group.


15 posted on 05/14/2009 1:43:47 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DTogo

That is a good thought, but it is 110 miles to the closest Wally world from here.


16 posted on 05/14/2009 1:46:51 PM PDT by Concho ( No Birth Certificate-No Census!)
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To: Concho

Got any friends who live closer?


17 posted on 05/14/2009 1:49:50 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: neverdem

Rat disagreement is not an IF, but a WHEN.


18 posted on 05/14/2009 1:57:39 PM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
It’s very important to be a part of something that promotes individual rights against the onslaught of socialism. Individual gun ownership stands between you and tyranny! Join now if not a member! Even if you don’t own a gun, support the NRA!

I am a life member and could not agree more with your advice. The NRA is all that stands between gun ownership and a totalitarian state.

19 posted on 05/14/2009 2:02:21 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: DTogo

They are looking out for number one. Employees are getting the stuff when they unload it off the truck. It doesnt make it to the counter.


20 posted on 05/14/2009 2:11:59 PM PDT by Concho ( No Birth Certificate-No Census!)
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