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A "No" Vote Grows In California, And What It Means For Obama/Pelosi/Reid Rationing
TownHall ^ | 5/13/09

Posted on 05/14/2009 7:53:49 AM PDT by FromLori

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To: FromLori

But this is, after all, KALIFORNIA! Should voters make the “wrong” decision, it will simply be ignored. Anybody remember Prop 8??!!


21 posted on 05/14/2009 8:37:39 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Califreak

$75,000 = AVERAGE Federal Employee annual salary
$52,000 = Average U.S. Household income

Federal benefits = full health care, disability, education, leave, holidays, sick leave and an inflation adjusted defined pension and no social security payments

Private benefits = variable and less and not guarantted by taxpayers

Congress = Even better than the Federal employees

How stupid are we? Any questions?


22 posted on 05/14/2009 8:37:41 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: Bender2
Every time I even think about the Loony Left Coast coming back to sanity and the GOP.

And the GOP?

Comments from Texas again? The state that brought us the like of the Bush boys and LBJ?

That worked out real good didn't it tex?

23 posted on 05/14/2009 8:40:49 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Califreak
‘NO!’ across the board. The new heads on a stick budget is already costing me an extra Grand+ per year...somebody needs to slap Sacramento into reality and tell them that the well is dry.
24 posted on 05/14/2009 8:40:58 AM PDT by 444Flyer ("...But Mordecai would not kneel down or pay him honor."-Esther 3:2b)
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To: Califreak

Then there is the increased sales tax...


25 posted on 05/14/2009 8:43:07 AM PDT by 444Flyer ("...But Mordecai would not kneel down or pay him honor."-Esther 3:2b)
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To: dragnet2
Both those people are NOT from California.

Yep. I've always said the all the carpetbaggers have been causing most of the problems here.

26 posted on 05/14/2009 8:45:16 AM PDT by shorty_harris
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To: FromLori

I’m glad these tax grabbing initiatives are going to go down in flames, but I’m also confused.

I said back when we ousted Gray Davis, it mattered not who replaced him, because we didn’t also oust the tax and spend dems who control the state legislature.

So now everybody who votes to keep all these tax & spend dems in power are upset they tax & spend. Go figure.

You just can’t continue to elect these boobs and then expect a different outcome.


27 posted on 05/14/2009 8:50:16 AM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: FromLori

There is a lot of foolishness here, but there are also some clear realities that are being avoided, and both problems arise from the people themselves.

The greatest foolishness is demanding that government be all things to all people. The public realizing that they can vote themselves the treasury. Yet while the public demands everything, they do not grasp that they are the ones who have pay for it.

The only way to address this problem is with a campaign of education, and one probably not conducted by the government, but directed at the government. Democracy in action. In effect, it amounts to “rationing government”.

Each year, two, two-page pamphlets are mailed to voters, entitled the “Ala Carte California Budget”. One is a worksheet, and the other is a form that will be mailed in for tabulation.

On the left page is a line item of every budget item of everything the government pays any substantial amount of money for. Next to it is how much money was appropriated for it in the current year, the bare amount of money it could have and survive as a functional program, and how much its budget should be increased or reduced, which will be filled in by each taxpayer.

At the bottom of the left page is a total amount decided by the taxpayer. It may be the minimum amount, the amount paid last year carried forward, or an increase or decrease of some amount of money greater than the minimum.

On the right page, there should be a listing of revenue sources for the State, how much was brought in, in the current year, and how they could be increased, or decreased, even to zero. At the bottom of the page, another total.

It is up to the individual taxpayer how to fill out his worksheet until the two numbers, budget expenditures and taxes, are the same. They can increase and decrease spending, and they can increase or decrease taxes.

It’s all up to them. Then when the final number equals zero, they can carry over the information from the worksheet to the mail in form.

Obviously, a LOT of people wouldn’t want to do this. They hate math, and they hate thinking, and this would be as or more unpleasant to them than doing their income taxes.

However, lobbying groups *would* want them to do this, and be all over them, offering assistance to fill out the worksheets the way that lobbying group wanted to—to increase their own budgets at the expense of everyone else.

Ironically, this is the real objective of the exercise. Call it “Lobbyist Survival of the Fittest”, if you like. For example, the largest union in California is the prison guards union, so there would be lots of increase in the budget for building new prisons. The next largest is the teachers’ union, so the schools would get increases as well.

However, the little lobbyist groups, for things like “Save the Snail Darter”, “Campaign to Eliminate Uncontrolled Flatulence”, etc., would get nuked. It would also mean that sheer numbers of supporters would beat small, noisy, but well funded ones.


28 posted on 05/14/2009 8:53:14 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Califreak

I can’t wait to vote NO.


29 posted on 05/14/2009 8:56:09 AM PDT by Achilles Heel
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To: All

The preparations (I can’t call them propostions) are loosing because of the deceptive LIES out here that fail to mention extensions of tax increases. They put attractive teachers on the commercials telling about the wondera of 1a like mind numbed robots, and hope for ignorance. Yet it is this lack of truth in the ads which has created a backlash. Some of these things will go down 2-1, proving that it was just another waste of money to have this nonsense done. RECALL THEM ALL! Throw ‘em out and start over.


30 posted on 05/14/2009 8:58:15 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: Califreak

I mailed in my ballot a couple of weeks ago. I voted NO on all except the last one. The one that forbids our noble legislative crooks from raising their salary in years of an unbalanced budget. They threw this one in to try to fool us about the all the rest of the initiatives. They really do think we are stuck on stupid.


31 posted on 05/14/2009 9:00:09 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (I don't trust Obama with my country. Do you?)
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To: All
Prediction:

1A: Loses 40-60
1B: Loses 42-58
1C: Loses 35-65
1D: Loses 42-58
1E: Loses 40-60
1F: Passes 55-45 (The no raise for the legislature when there is a deficit. I can live with that)
32 posted on 05/14/2009 9:11:54 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: BigEdLB
RECALL THEM ALL!

Calling for a "Total Recall", eh? :-)
33 posted on 05/14/2009 9:16:01 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: FromLori

It’s deeper than all that. California gave us Howard Jarvis, Prop 13, Ronald Reagan, FreeRepublic, the Davis Recall, Tom McClintock and Prop 8.

This special election, along with the ND scandal this weekend, will be unprecedented. Americans can no longer stand on the sidelines, drink beer, eat hot dogs, and cheer for their favorite team. They are being forced into the game—and they are being compelled to chose which team they are going to play for: the Radical Atheist Traitor Socialists (ie., RATS) or the Good Guys.

The ND embarrassment will ring loudly and the defeat of Arnies’ props will trigger a wildfire that reaches Washington DC.


34 posted on 05/14/2009 9:18:32 AM PDT by reagandemocrat (proud footsoldier in a discredited army of oppression)
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To: dragnet2; Bender2
Comments from Texas again? The state that brought us the like of the Bush boys and LBJ?
When former California Governor Ronald Reagan was running for President, George (read my lips, no new taxes) Bush Sr. called Reagan's economic plan (with a sneer and a arrogant chuckle) VooDoo economics...

Whose plan was VooDoo again?

35 posted on 05/14/2009 9:25:04 AM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: FromLori

Hugh Hewitt is the author.


36 posted on 05/14/2009 9:25:45 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: BigEdLB

Starve the Beast.


37 posted on 05/14/2009 9:39:41 AM PDT by reagandemocrat (proud footsoldier in a discredited army of oppression)
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To: cbkaty
Most Californias are NOT liberals, they are, however, democrats and they vote a dem ticket. It is just now becoming apparent to many of them how they have been duped all these years. You have to remember, the Sac Bee and the LA times are the two biggest sources of news(or they used to be) and they are both left wing rags that constantly brain wash people. The Red counties, which actually out number the blue, have better teachers and fewer brain washed children but the left is busily trying to turn those children also.

Hopefully, the people will finally get it: Politicians are not their friends, republican or dimwit, and need to be held accountable all the time, not just every 30 years!

38 posted on 05/14/2009 9:42:30 AM PDT by calex59
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To: FromLori

Happens all the time... governments spend themselves into oblivion, and then when the bill comes due, they demand a rise in taxes rather than even think about cutting spending.

Then, when the public (i,e., the taxpayers) balks, they send out the dire threat that “essential services” will have to be cut without the tax increase. Never any suggestion of cutting back on non-essential services or government employee perks.

They succeeded here in Montgomery County, MD with such a scam (”save our schools!”) when they forced through a measure repealing the maximum 10% annual increase in property taxes. Thankfully, in November, we got an amendment passed that requires all 9 county commissioners to approve any such hike. It was the only question on the ballot I was on the winning side of, and I think we won by less than 1,000 votes county-wide.


39 posted on 05/14/2009 10:06:48 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: shorty_harris; dragnet2

So, all the carpetbaggers also did all the voting? Come on as long as guys like you continue to point the finger at others, you fail to see the stupidity for which you continue to fall!

You know, that whole trees/forest thing!


40 posted on 05/14/2009 10:10:56 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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