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Schwarzenegger says 'time for debate' on legal marijuana
Sacramento Bee ^ | , May. 5, 2009 | Kevin Yamamura

Posted on 05/05/2009 2:27:27 PM PDT by calcowgirl

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said Tuesday it's time for California to study whether to legalize and tax marijuana for recreational use, though he's not yet advocating for such a change.

The governor was asked about a recent Field Poll showing that 56 percent of registered voters support legalizing and taxing marijuana to raise revenues for cash-strapped California. Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, D-San Francisco, has proposed legislation that would legalize the drug for recreational use, rather than just medical purposes.

"Well, I think it's not time for that, but I think it's time for a debate," Schwarzenegger said. "I think all of those ideas of creating extra revenues, I'm always for an open debate on it. And I think we ought to study very carefully what other countries are doing that have legalized marijuana and other drugs, what effect did it have on those countries?"

He said his native Austria is revisiting some of its marijuana laws, for instance. The Austrian Parliament last year authorized medical marijuana.

"It could very well be that everyone is happy with that decision and then we could move to that," Schwarzenegger said of other nations' legalization policies. "If not, we shouldn't do it. But just because of raising revenues ... we have to be careful not to make mistakes at the same time.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: cannabis; controlledsubstances; drugs; grass; haroldandkumar; leroyvillbeback; libertarian; marijuana; maryjane; pot; reefer; schwarzenegger; stoner; whitecastle; wod
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To: starlifter

Yes.

Start here and click away.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nhtsa+marijuana&btnG=Google+Search&rlz=1R2ADBF_en&aq=f&oq=


81 posted on 05/05/2009 4:00:32 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: jdub

“why would you call someone against unwarranted governmental authority over personal choice a liberal? Its so called conservatives that want to force their beliefs on everyone else that keeps a lot of potential votes on the democrat side.”

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If we were taliking about abortion then your “personal choice” beliefs would identify you as a ....

wait for it.....

liberal.


82 posted on 05/05/2009 4:05:35 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: Doe Eyes

Wrong.

Growing your own would “take” money (taxes) out of the gubmint’s hands.

If pot were legalized, the second thing the State would do would be to BAN all homegrown weed.

The first thing - of course - would be to TAX THE CRAP out of it.

Legalized pot - A liberals wet dream!


83 posted on 05/05/2009 4:10:08 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: Responsibility2nd; All

I don’t know anyone that does not do both; smoke pot and have booze at the same time. I have seen people drink and not smoke pot but I have never seen someone smoke pot and not drink so it would be an interesting study.


84 posted on 05/05/2009 4:13:51 PM PDT by edcoil (Taxes only help an evil government)
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To: svcw

14 million in USA, that is why I noted maybe only 3 million in CA if 10%


85 posted on 05/05/2009 4:16:01 PM PDT by edcoil (Taxes only help an evil government)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I would call it in line with personal freedom and responsibility - something you supposedly stand for if you’re on this board, and none of your damn business if someone wants to do it.


86 posted on 05/05/2009 4:16:54 PM PDT by SwankyC (Please stand by - The Patriot Act can and will be used against all of you right wing extremists.)
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To: edcoil

Oh I thought you meant in CA.


87 posted on 05/05/2009 4:19:17 PM PDT by svcw (There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who know binary and those who don't.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
If we were taliking about abortion then your “personal choice” beliefs would identify you as a ....

but we weren't talking about that though, were we? And if we were talking about abortion, "personal choice" wouldn't enter the discussion because no one has a choice to commit murder. and it doesn't have to be a religous belief to believe that.

why don't you go ahead and explain why you have a right to decide what someone smokes, drinks or ingests?

88 posted on 05/05/2009 4:22:03 PM PDT by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: SwankyC

Lets take this liberal logic and use it to argue about abortion.

Based on what you are saying....

“I would call it in line with personal freedom and responsibility - something you supposedly stand for if you’re on this board, and none of your damn business if someone wants to do it.”

I guess its safe to say you are PRO-ABORTION.

Sorry. You’re on the wrong board. DU is over here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/


89 posted on 05/05/2009 4:31:07 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: jdub

“why don’t you go ahead and explain why you have a right to decide what someone smokes, drinks or ingests?”

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Sure. I could do that.

Right after you explain why you have the right to argue for a BIGGER GOVERNMENT and HIGHER TAXES.


90 posted on 05/05/2009 4:33:25 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Right after you explain why you have the right to argue for a BIGGER GOVERNMENT and HIGHER TAXES.

Where did i say anything about supporting higher taxes and bigger government? can you come up with an argument without making stuff up? I thought only liberals did that.

And while we are at it, I do have the right to argue for whatever government I want. thats called individual liberty. If I argued for more govt and taxes, I'd be wrong, but I am free to do so. Ever hear the phrase "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death to protect your right to say it"?

Try engaging your brain before the keyboard. And i'm still waiting for your justification for intruding on individual liberty.

91 posted on 05/05/2009 5:07:26 PM PDT by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Thanks. Here's what I found, fifth reference:

NHTSA Accident Study Finds Drugs Not Big Danger on the Road, the Main Danger is Alcohol. Marijuana By Itself Not an Apparent Driving Hazard

The NHTSA report, “The Incidence and Role of Drugs in Fatally Injured Drivers,” by K.W. Terhune, et al. of the Calspan Corp. Accident Research Group in Buffalo, NY (Report # DOT-HS-808-065) is available from the National Technical Information Service, Springfield VA 22161

Thank you for your help.

92 posted on 05/05/2009 5:30:29 PM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: spikeytx86
Taxing pot is a good way to raise revenue. And I'll like to see a state challenge the Federal Government on controlled substance act.

Besides if we legalize pot here in the US, it means less money for Mexican Drug Cartels.

93 posted on 05/05/2009 6:14:43 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: spikeytx86

“1. Drop drug addicts from being able to receive SSDI and SSI.”

Would you please provide me with something that shows that drug addicts can get SSI or SSDI because of their addiction?

I’ve heard that before but do not believe it.


94 posted on 05/05/2009 6:33:59 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: svcw

When I ran for office years ago I was told the anti-drug budget was 165 Billion given to police efforts around the country for 14 million people - I thought we might as well let’em kill themselves and save some money - it seems like a lot for so few people.


95 posted on 05/05/2009 6:34:04 PM PDT by edcoil (Taxes only help an evil government)
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To: starlifter

“Umm...the reason there are drug cartels is because drugs and the market that gets them to the end users are illegal.”

But there is some very tricky logic in that statement that otherwise intelligent drug warriors just cannot seem to grasp.


96 posted on 05/05/2009 6:39:45 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: calcowgirl
As I read the article, the Austrian isn't suggesting the legalization of any controlled substances. He is suggesting a public dialog to acknowledge and emphasize the necessity for increasing revenue streams to state government. How can we (taxpayers) increase California's income in order to expand our programs.

Apparently, and to his credit, the Austrian is not entertaining the harebrained notion to nurture and facilitate the growth of small business in California. Small business simply doesn't generate their fair share of tax revenue.

Neither is the governor foolish enough to harbor large corporations in California. Large corporations generally have the means to shelter their profits and don't return an equitable revenue to the coffers of either state government or organized labor. Additionally, large corporations, outside agriculture, typically require an employee skill set well beyond that of California's new modal resident. Just as tank driving is not usually a prerequisite for entry level work in the political class, a certificate of competency from an ESL class does not usually generate a 6 figure income from Toyota or IBM, the threshold for meaningful, state income tax obligations.

Schwarzenegger is also wise enough to recognize that California's wealthy are simply not doing their fair share to subsidize the failure of economic models in the southern regions of our hemisphere. California's shrinking middle class must be made to recognize their increasing moral obligation to ameliorate the social failures of our geopolitical neighbors.

97 posted on 05/05/2009 7:12:17 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag

After reading this, I wish for only one thing... to have seen the expression on your face when you wrote it.

LOL.

I think you pretty well nailed the thought process of Sacramento’s resident ruler.


98 posted on 05/05/2009 8:00:52 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: calcowgirl

I’ve known more than a few people who’s lives have been practically destroyed from smoking pot.
Not from the actual smoking, from getting caught smoking.


99 posted on 05/05/2009 8:50:51 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: calcowgirl

I’ve known more than a few people who’s lives have been practically destroyed from smoking pot.
Not from the actual smoking, from getting caught smoking.


100 posted on 05/05/2009 8:50:51 PM PDT by mowowie
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