GOP Spine Needs to Stiffen in Spite of Specter Switch

Townhall.com ^ | Wednesday, April 29, 2009 | Matt Kibbe

[Delacon]

Post #37

[Kansas58]

Every single “Third Party” will have the SAME problems as the GOP.

Do you have a “better stock” of humans to staff and run your vaunted “3rd Party”???

You say “your” candidate did not get any “help” from the GOP?

Your solution? Run as a “Third Party” and GUARANTEE no GOP support?

It won't work. Third Parties will NEVER get more than single digits on election day.

Third Parties will never get more than a few thousand dollars, in campaign contributions.

Third Parties are designed to fail, and only help the Democrats.

[Kudsman]

Well, I’m not going to run for office

You don't need to. How about getting on your Town/City/County committee? They are the ones who interview and nominate every candidate on the ballot, from the local highway superintendent to the U.S. Congresscritters.

[Nosterrex]

There are a number of interesting comments on the fate of the GOP by the various posters. I have never been a proponent of third parties, but I have also lost faith in the Republicans and Democrats. Neither one can discipline itself when in power. Both are advocates of big government and deficit spending. It is simply a matter of time. One party wants to go a little slower towards socialism than the other. It is the Iron Law of Oligarchy in action. The only realistic choice is between Statism and revolution/secession. I hate that it has come to this, but there is no use fighting human nature. The longer a political party exists, the more tyrannical it becomes.

[cripplecreek]

Whatever, your seminar posting doesn’t really mean anything to me. Just know this.

We’re taking you down with us. LOL

[Kansas58]

Got it, thanks

[oyez]

I can remember Barry Goldwater's run for the presidency. He brought in a lot of new voters to the Republican Party, unfortunately there were many who thought Goldwater may be to extreme, but after four years of Lyndon Johnson even Richard Nixon could be elected.

[Kansas58]

I wrote the seminar, when there was one in this area.

I am not taking dictation from anyone.

What I say is true:

Third Parties are for egotistical morons who like to lose!

[bilhosty]

We need the moderates. But, if they don’t want to be kicked out they have to be responsive to the rest of us. that does not mean they have to agree with us all of the time or even most of the time.that just means they can’t stab us in the back constantly. There are plenty of country clubbers who are not moderates but have conservative voting records but somehow they just seem to stab us in the back as well. They need to become responsive as well. Middle class conservatives are sick and tired of losing even if they have a majority. They are plainly looking for someone to take the blame. If the party wants to be inclusive than you have to be inclusive to you base as well.

[Delacon]

I disagree. I am not a libertarian and didnt support Ron Paul in the last election because I knew he wasnt electable. I also disagreed with him on some important issues. BUT I SURE AS HELL WISH HE WAS THE PRESIDENT.

[Sylvester McMonkey McBean]

The rumbling you're hearing is the crumbling of the traditional party system. The new direction is candidate support, NOT party support. You see, under the current structure, he who gives the $$ calls the shots. Currently, we give $$ unaccountable parties. The parties then give our $$ that we gave them, to candidates of their choosing.

Why pay retail when you can buy wholesale? Cut out the party middlemen and give financial support for INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATES, not PARTIES.

Everyone wants quick solutions. We didn't get here overnight, and we won't fix it overnight. But, by supporting individual candidates, the candidates are beholden to the voters not the party apparatchiks.

Also, in case you haven't noticed, this kind of thinking riles up the folks currently in charge.

[cripplecreek]

And the GOP is for masochistic morons who can’t get enough.

[Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit]

I am trying to remember, when was the last time a Senator switched from the Rats to the GOP? I know tat Libermann because an independent, but he still votes with the Rats.

How far back do we have to go? And, the real question is whether the current attitude is only a path to true disaster.

Some communists were happy to see Hitler (who they say as right wing although we know better) elected because they believed a his eventual overthrow would lead to a communist paradise.

I am having trouble grasping how ideological purity is a good compensation for losing all the progress made since Reagan.

[Kansas58]

I have advised EXACTLY the same strategy, for several years now.
In fact, I think that you should MAX OUT first, to the candidates you like, before you even consider giving to the GOP or to the House or Senate campaigns.
The political parties have MANY functions.
Fund raising is only one of their many other duties and functions.

[Kansas58]

You will NEVER get anyone elected, under a Third Party label.

That, I can guarantee you.

So what is the point?

[cripplecreek]

Well genius, right off the top I’ll ask you to show me where I said even one word about 3rd parties.

You can’t, now bend over that chair and let the RINOs have another shot at you. LOL

[Nosterrex]

When it comes to fiscal restraint, Ron Paul is certainly better than what we have now. In many ways I am closer to Libertarians than to either The GOP or Dems, but there are too many differences on important issues that keep me from becoming Libertarian. Unless the people are willing to elect Libertarians to both houses of Congress, a third party President would be ineffective in office.

[Kansas58]

Sorry
I thought you were COMPLAINING that Reagan did not run Specter out of the Party.

You are correct, Reagan allowed the various geographic areas, in the Party, to select their OWN Republican candidates.

[Post Toasties]

What is needed is likely a new party The Republicans are self destructing

Fine, as long as the new party is majority former Democrats. Otherwise, it will only speed Republican 'self destruction'.

[Kansas58]

Your Post #48 would seem to indicate that you are a 3rd Party type.
You are free to explain otherwise, if you wish.