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What Happened to the Ban on Assault Weapons?(Jimmuh Carter)
New York Times ^ | 26 April 2009 | Jimmuh Carter

Posted on 04/27/2009 7:46:42 AM PDT by TADSLOS

THE evolution in public policy concerning the manufacture, sale and possession of semiautomatic assault weapons like AK-47s, AR-15s and Uzis has been very disturbing. Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and I all supported a ban on these formidable firearms, and one was finally passed in 1994.

When the 10-year ban was set to expire, many police organizations — including 1,100 police chiefs and sheriffs from around the nation — called on Congress and President George W. Bush to renew and strengthen it. But with a wink from the White House, the gun lobby prevailed and the ban expired.

I have used weapons since I was big enough to carry one, and now own two handguns, four shotguns and three rifles, two with scopes. I use them carefully, for hunting game from our family woods and fields, and occasionally for hunting with my family and friends in other places. We cherish the right to own a gun and some of my hunting companions like to collect rare weapons. One of them is a superb craftsman who makes muzzle-loading rifles, one of which I displayed for four years in my private White House office.
But none of us wants to own an assault weapon, because we have no desire to kill policemen or go to a school or workplace to see how many victims we can accumulate before we are finally shot or take our own lives. That’s why the White House and Congress must not give up on trying to reinstate a ban on assault weapons, even if it may be politically difficult.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; bang; banglist; carter; carterlegacy; guns; idiot; jimmycarter; weaponsban
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To: Sherman Logan; Travis McGee
“What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? and then claim it doesn’t call for murder of LEOs.

99.999% of us around here, and I include Travis in that 99.999%, have no interest in murdering LEOs who are committed to "keeping the peace" in the classical sense.

The problem lies with the militarized SWAT teams with enough equipment to make the Marines in Fallujah look like kids playing paintball.

The guys who make Posse Commitatus irrelevant.

The kind of guys who murdered Mario Paz, Ismael Mena and Donald Scott, and dozens of others.

Solzhenitsyn's recommendations are 100% appropriate for those guys.

81 posted on 04/27/2009 2:40:14 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Okey, dokey.

You try explaining that profound difference to all the other cops.

Somehow I don’t think they will agree with you.

In most communities the SWAT guys are part-timers, putting on the fancy doodads only when a crisis arrives or for training. IOW, they are ordinary cops 90% of the time.

I cheerfully agree that the SWAT-types have gotten out of control in a lot of ways. However, I would be surprised if there has actually been an increase over the last 40 or so years in cops killing unarmed civilians.

They just used to do a much better job of covering it up. I had a friendly neighborhood cop once show me his “drop-gun.” He carried it all the time to drop on the floor if he ever shot an unarmed suspect. This was just routine police work where I grew up. The standard term, BTW, at the time for a police baton was a ______-knocker, using the N word.

Things are worse in some ways. In many they are better.


82 posted on 04/27/2009 2:57:55 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: TADSLOS

What does hunting have to do with the Second Amendment?


83 posted on 04/27/2009 3:29:58 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (I don't trust Obama with my country. Do you?)
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To: Jeff Gordon
What does hunting have to do with the Second Amendment?

You beat me to it.

84 posted on 04/27/2009 3:42:40 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: Clinging Bitterly
Jimmuh’s still alive?

Apparently in a physical sense.

85 posted on 04/27/2009 3:44:16 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: mylife
What a Maroon

I still think the day of his funeral the price of oil will drop just because of it.

86 posted on 04/27/2009 3:50:39 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: bruoz
Jimma, the original AWB didn't really ban even one gun. It only stopped domestic production of certain firearms based upon appearance (not function) for the general public. Post-ban semi-auto firearms lost their detachable flash hiders, bayonet lugs and folding stocks but their performance was unchanged.

The banners have learned their lesson, the bans that would have been imposed by HR 1022 from the last Congress (110th), would have been much more comprehensive and "effective", any new ban would be more effective still.

87 posted on 04/27/2009 5:14:29 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: ctdonath2
outright-banned full-autos.

Don't know where you get your info, but full auto firearms and sound suppressors are not and have NEVER been banned. If you live in a state where state law so allows (I live in FL and it's a-okay here) and you follow the right steps in securing a TAX STAMP cost of which remains as it always has at $200, you can own one as well. IIRC it is either BATF Form 4 or BATF Form 1.

88 posted on 04/27/2009 5:16:25 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Implementing them now would mean the ambush and murder of policement just doing their jobs, probably a good many of them philosophically on your side, at least until you start murdering their buddies

If they are on "our side" and many are, they should not, and many would not, be conducting "gun raids". I've heard more than one police officer say words to the effect that "they'll have to get someone else to do it if they want to confiscate guns". One of them was a Lieutenant in a Sheriff's department in a county with well over a million population.

89 posted on 04/27/2009 5:23:40 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Sherman Logan
So Solzhenitsyn’s description of resistance, transferred to America, wouldn’t involve murdering cops? How’s that work? Cops enforce the law. If you are in rebellion against the law, they will try to enforce it on you. If you resist forcibly, it will result in either you or them assuming room temperature. If it’s them, they will be reinforced until you lose.

Self defense is not murder. Gun confiscation may have the form of law, but it's not the law. Any law in contravention to the Constitution is no law at all.

The Supreme Court has said that the Right to Keep and Bear Arms protected by the Constitution's second amendment is an individual right belonging to the members of the group known as "The People" of the United States.

90 posted on 04/27/2009 5:28:04 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: TADSLOS
He's so full of crap to include Reagan in that one. Ronnie would never have signed such a bill. He only came out in favor of Brady after he was well into his dementia and was manipulated.
91 posted on 04/27/2009 5:32:33 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
full auto firearms and sound suppressors are not and have NEVER been banned

Any full autos made after 1986 are banned, thanks to a last minute amendment, probably improperly passed, to the Firearm Owners Protection Act. Consequently the supply of transferable full autos is fixed, or very nearly so. Since the demand is not fixed, the prices of pre '86 full autos has gotten completely out of reach of the average person.

92 posted on 04/27/2009 5:53:13 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Yep...if the average man wants an automatic weapon you have to go to Mexico and buy one. LOL.


93 posted on 04/27/2009 6:17:23 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: El Gato
Any full autos made after 1986 are banned,

Only the sear which is the sensitive and regulated item. There are a lot of newer class IIIs with the older sears on the market especially in the MP5.

95 posted on 04/27/2009 7:30:27 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Sherman Logan
BTW, the tactics you propose might work in an America where 80% to 90% of the people support the fighters. It will not work in the much more likely scenario where the freedom fighters are close to or even well under 50% in their support.

During the Revolution, the population was divided into 3 roughly equal camps: revolutionaries, Loyalists and "I don't cares." Of the 1/3 of the revolutionaries, about 1/3 of that population (roughly 10% of the total) actually gave aid and comfort of any kind to the fighters. The fighters themselves numbered about 3% of the total population. This is what defeated the British Empire.

You saw how a couple of mental-case, careless boobs shut down the DC metropolitan area for over a week a few years back: what would several hundred thousand people armed with better weapons, using better tactics (much courtesy of Uncle's training), bringing the fight to their enemies' front doors and with a strong desire NOT to get caught do to this nation. What does the fed.gov do when truckers are threatened and food, gas, etc. doesn't get transported to the big cities?

96 posted on 04/28/2009 8:40:11 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant-wannabee: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: ExSoldier

Not sure how you extract “suppressors” from “full auto”.

The grandfather clause in 922(o) serves only to confuse people like yourself to avoid Constitutional invalidation. If you will slow down and think for a moment, you will realize that the men guarding Jimmy Carter are NOT using the “allowed” 20+ year old, used, out of date, wildy overpriced relics with more collector’s value than tool value, those men are using post-’86, new, affordable, tools which you CANNOT buy legally at any price. My post was, in context, exactly correct. (Yes, I know those laws well.)


97 posted on 04/28/2009 8:29:52 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: TADSLOS; Travis McGee; Joe Brower; El Gato; wardaddy; Squantos; archy
What happened to the unorganized militia, Jimmuh?

U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs?

Text Of Zell Miller's RNC Speech Ga. Senator Addresses Republican National Convention

One of the last rats from GA that had common sense.

98 posted on 05/03/2009 7:36:52 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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