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FAA says low-flying plane over Staten Island is 'pre-planned' flight to take photos
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Posted on 04/27/2009 7:30:01 AM PDT by LottieDah

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To: Wil H

Hopefully that is the case but nowadays you just never know.


361 posted on 04/28/2009 8:35:19 AM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: surfer

Tin foil hats block out mind control waves ;)

Seriously, I wouldn’t put anything past the maniac in chief.


362 posted on 04/28/2009 8:40:55 AM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: TankerKC; LachlanMinnesota
Tank, I'll take your word for it that photos can be taken from F-16s. I stand corrected and enlightened. Your experience certainly trumps my "someone"'s!

However, I must reject the "official" word that this event was a "photo op." My common sense has been too reliable a guide over the years for me ignore it now. There was no reason to keep this thing secret and unannounced -- on the contrary, notifying the NYC public that it was scheduled could easily have been a wonderful PR thing for Obama. From the camera standpoint, I've only see one F-16 in the photos and videos, and it is always flying either closely beside or directly behind, AF1; the other F-16 isn't evident, and you'd think it would be if the idea was to get pics of AF1 with Lady Liberty and the NYC skyline. Neither one of the F-16s, from film I've seen, were in locations that made sense for photography. But I admit that I don't know or haven't seen where the other one was during the event.

No, the most dubious factor is the secrecy thing. Supposedly NYC officials were notified well in advance and told to keep it under their hats, and in that time, not a peep leaked out, not even a rumor, of it happening. WHY? For a dramatic, clearly potentially traumantic event, timed at the height of workday scheduling on a Monday morning??? Puh-leeeze.

Why the secrecy, when making it public to an Obama-adoring NYC populace, the reassuring prospect of this time our SAFE and FRIENDLY President's plane in the city, for a very reasonable, legit, and non-partisan purpose (not even Republicans could object, and I certainly wouldn't) purpose of getting nice updated stock photos of the plane with the city in the background.

This wasn't a photo op, and it defies common sense to think it was. It was either a) a secret operation with "photo op" as the cover story to be announced after the fact because announcing it ahead of time would have sabotaged the operation, OR b) a rogue event by who knows who, for who knows what purpose -- but something no one knew about in advance, not Obama, not the DOD, nor NYC officials. In a desperate and hasty cover-our-ass response, the "photo op" cover was used and NYC officials were either forced or convinced to claim that they were notified in advance.

If this was a legit "photo op" simply bungled by a narcissitic administration or negligent DOD, then Michelle Obama really has blue eyes and freckles underneath that dark tan and brown contact lenses.

363 posted on 04/28/2009 8:59:11 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: milford421

Interesting.


364 posted on 04/28/2009 10:45:56 AM PDT by Palladin (Waterboard Nancy Pelosi!)
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To: milford421
Which government agency was in the harbor taking pics?

Not that it would really matter, I suppose.

So....the event was planned, apparently the NYPD didn’t tell anyone about it. I’m not so sure they were forbidden to....

News reports say that NYPD says they were forbidden, as Port Authorities are also reported to have said they were forbidden, from letting people know ahead of time and apparently, even DURING the event, but were instructed to direct inquiries to the FAA, if I remember correctly what the news reports said.

I don't buy a word of it -- it stinks like yesterday's diapers. Something else was going on, and publicity photos of AF1 is a ruse.

365 posted on 04/28/2009 11:07:01 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Velveeta; All

Note: The following text is a quote:

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=54097

Air Force One Flight Causes New York City Confusion

By Donna Miles
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, April 28, 2009 – The White House expressed regret yesterday over a photo opportunity involving Air Force One that stirred up confusion and fear in New York City.

The Presidential Airlift Group flew the VC-25 presidential aircraft, escorted by an F-16 fighter jet, over the city between 10 and 10:30 yesterday morning, said Gary T. Strasburg, chief of the Air Force’s Environmental Public Affairs.

The mission was conducted “in conjunction with normally scheduled continuation training for assigned aircrew members,” and coordinated with the Federal Aviation Administration, Strasburg said.

This mission was coordinated for the Upper New York Bay, south of the Holland Tunnel and in the Newark Bay north of the Staten Island Expressway, he said.

But New Yorkers who observed the flight found it all too reminiscent of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks that took down both World Trade Center towers.

Louis Caldera, director of the White House Military Office, expressed regret yesterday over approving the mission.

“I take responsibility for that decision,” he said in a written statement.

“While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it’s clear that the mission created confusion and disruption,” he said. “I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused.”

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366 posted on 04/28/2009 4:11:08 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Finny; Velveeta; Palladin

This article is pretty informative:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04292009/news/regionalnews/they_knew__166773.htm


367 posted on 04/29/2009 2:31:52 AM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: milford421

bookmark


368 posted on 04/29/2009 2:53:51 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: LottieDah

This link explains the act of Federal Terrorism against the people of NYC.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/air.force.one.2.996457.html

FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic
Threatened Federal Sanctions Against NYPD, Secret Service, FBI & Mayor’s Office If Secret Ever Got Out
Furious Obama Apologizes: “It Will Never Happen Again”

Excerpted go to the link for full story:

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/air.force.one.2.996457.html


369 posted on 04/29/2009 7:33:48 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does Zer0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foriegn/domestic terrorists, or tax cheats?)
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To: milford421
From the article:

"Due to the possibility of public concern regarding DOD [Department of Defense] aircraft flying at low levels, coordination with federal, state and local law-enforcement agencies, emergency-operations centers and aviation units has been accomplished," the e-mail said.

But the message never made it past mid-level operatives at City Hall and the NYPD.

"...has been accomplished"???? What does that mean? Obviously, it HADN'T been accomplished. Frankly, I don't find the article pretty informative -- it's actually pretty confusing. Why would such a memo be sent to mid-level operatives instead of guys at the top? And when was it sent? The article doesn't say.

Why is the FAA releasing "cryptic" email memos about what HAS been accomplished instead of what needs to be done, written by a high-ranking FAA official and sent to mid-level guys in city bureaucracies, about a DOD event involving the airplane that belongs to the president of the United States?

370 posted on 04/29/2009 8:32:34 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Man ... this passes for journalism? WHEN was the memo sent? Who was it sent to? Where are the quotes from the memo demanding secrecy and threatening sanctions? And "apparently" the flyover was ordered by the White House Office of Military Affairs??? "Apparently"????

This has the pungent smell of more bullsh*t. What is the FAA doing sending memos to city bureacreacies on behalf of DOD and military? Is THAT the FAA's job, to instruct local public officials about protocol regarding military use of U.S. Presidential airplanes?

Chuck Schumer doesn't exactly ADD to the malarkey's credibility, either.

371 posted on 04/29/2009 8:46:59 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Finny

“Frankly, I don’t find the article pretty informative — it’s actually pretty confusing. Why would such a memo be sent to mid-level operatives instead of guys at the top? And when was it sent? The article doesn’t say.”

If you’re looking for the truth, or a straight answer out of this administration....forget it. I have a number of questions as to why this was done.

The article shows that government agencies were indeed aware of this stunt.


372 posted on 04/29/2009 8:53:11 AM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: Finny; pissant; BIGLOOK; PhilDragoo; Polarik; Fred Nerks; LucyT; SE Mom

It seems like we need hip boots whenever we read any so called official story about the act of Air Terrorism yesterday.

There is only way to getting the truth:

1. Who actually ordered this flight?

2. What was the objective of the flight?

3. Who was on the flight and in what official capacity?

Of course that will be as easy as getting a real egal/valid copy of 0b0z0’s certificate of live birth.


373 posted on 04/29/2009 8:53:42 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does Zer0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foriegn/domestic terrorists, or tax cheats?)
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To: onedoug

Sooo, where were the photogs? Not on the plane, shots of
the statue of liberty from the air are a dime a dozen.
Obviously if they wanted lady liberty and the president’s
plane in the shot they would have to be on the ground or
in the escort.

Something fishy about this whole thing.


374 posted on 04/29/2009 9:00:37 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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marked to read


375 posted on 04/29/2009 9:05:15 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: milford421
No, the article doesn't show that government agencies were aware! It doesn't say WHEN the memo was sent, for one thing. Why not? That's pretty basic information that any journalist worth his/her salt would include and that any editor worth his/her salt would DEMAND.

It's all bogus.

376 posted on 04/29/2009 9:06:54 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Finny

The article shows that the agencies were aware, but didn’t alert those who needed that information.

“That’s pretty basic information that any journalist worth his/her salt would include and that any editor worth his/her salt would DEMAND.
It’s all bogus.”

I agree. What’s your theory?


377 posted on 04/29/2009 9:09:21 AM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: Calpernia

The Anointed One, The Ayatollah of All Crapola, wants to get his new ROP calendar ready for 2010..


378 posted on 04/29/2009 9:22:23 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: penelopesire

If you want anything resembling the truth, Gibbs will have to be probed by a large electric cattle prod. He is an apparatchik, a Bamabot..


379 posted on 04/29/2009 9:27:47 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: sheik yerbouty

I say we waterboard him...lol!


380 posted on 04/29/2009 9:33:37 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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