Posted on 04/26/2009 12:14:37 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3
CHICAGO – Doctors know some patients needing lifesaving care won't get it in a flu pandemic or other disaster. The gut-wrenching dilemma will be deciding who to let die. Now, an influential group of physicians has drafted a grimly specific list of recommendations for which patients wouldn't be treated. They include the very elderly, seriously hurt trauma victims, severely burned patients and those with severe dementia.
The suggested list was compiled by a task force whose members come from prestigious universities, medical groups, the military and government agencies. They include the Department of Homeland Security, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Department of Health and Human Services.
The proposed guidelines are designed to be a blueprint for hospitals “so that everybody will be thinking in the same way” when pandemic flu or another widespread health care disaster hits, said Dr. Asha Devereaux. She is a critical care specialist in San Diego and lead writer of the task force report.
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Thank you! He really has no temper to speak of. Everything translates into humor. I’ve never known another person who’s so optimistic and I’ve never met a teenage boy with such compassion.
The day he was diagnosed with diabetes was pretty traumatic for me. I couldn’t stop crying. (I know. Great mom. /s)
He asked if he was going to die and I told him that it would be many years. He digested that for a moment, then comforted me. He cracked a joke, hugged me and reassured me that everything happens for a reason.
When the nurse came in to give him his first-ever insulin shot, he held up his hand and asked, “Am I going to have to do this every day for the rest of my life?” The nurse sadly said yes. He then took a deep breath and said, “Well, I may as well figure it out now. Give it here,” and gave himself the shot.
Don’t get me wrong, there have been some rough spots. He’s not prefect, but he’s a far cry better than most young men I’ve known.
If he gets the chance, he’s going to be a wonderful father.
He has to be special to have such inner sparkle come through in a drive by post, but it certainly did.
I’ll tell him you said so. :-)
We die a little bit each day from the moment of birth. We are only on earth because God wants us here.
If one obeys the laws of God given to Moses on Mount Sinai — one of them is “Thou shalt not kill,” that encompasses this evil that is being talked about.
It also encompasses suicide. If we accept suicide or assisted suicide, we are not letting God’s plan to prgress as he wishes.
Along the lines of “Never waste a crisis”...another poster mentioned the fact that Sebellius nomination (which is anathema to many on the right) comes up this week. So isn’t it convenient to have a health crisis when you’re trying to push your Secretary for Health and Human Services through confirmation hearings?
They are a devious bunch, my friend. And there is nothing they won’t do.
Now I would say that they went out of their way to demonstrate how incredibly marvelous they were at handling his without an HHS sec., so it seems we don’t actually need one :)
My husband is one of those who won’t be helped if he gets this flu. (Parkinson’s)
We understand that. We would rather our grown children and our grandchildren go to the head if the line. I am healthy enough, but would forgo treatment if it meant saving the younger adults and children.
Marie’s situation is different. I would give up my place in line, however, for her son. Who knows what treatments might come along for him in the years ahead, and what he might be able to do with his life if he were saved.
I take vitamin d supplements and still get sick every year.
That can't be good.
The Germans went through the orphanages in the 1930’s and cleaned them out of kids they deemed to be devoid of value.
They started with the handicapped kids. Then when they were all dead, they went on to the kids with big ears, the kids who wet the bed, the kids who were just plain funnylooking.
This is the Nazi Death Plan reborn for our times.
Marie, you must read the same books I do. This is just another attempt by the Eugenicists to “cull the herd.”
I say WE cull THEM first.
Nice of them to give us a list of their names.
http://www.toolan.com/hitler/index.html
The Gov Casey transplant case is an interesting case.
Gov Casey needed both a heart and a liver transplant. At the time, the average wait for a liver was 67 days, for a heart it was 198 days.
Gov Casey was put on the waiting list for a combined heart/liver transplant, and got his transplant organs within a day of being put on the list. The donor, William Michael Lucas, was beaten to death by a drug gang.
I would add all the A-holes who contributed to this report:
Gostin, Yeskey, Bentley, Devereaux, etc.
Reminds me of the old game ‘Lifeboat’ in school...
Here’s Steve Taylor’s song about it. Perfect answer to a really, really bad question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lXzC-JwkX4
Meant to do this...
Reminds me of the old game ‘Lifeboat’ in school...
Here’s Steve Taylor’s song about it. Perfect answer to a really, really bad question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lXzC-JwkX4
This isn't everyday medicine, but something more along the line of battlefield medics. You have overwhelming injuries and/or cases coming in, and your med staff can't treat them all.
My fear though, is this. There are those who will use a case like the flu pandemic to advance their own agenda. Killing off the “unfit” when they would not normally fall under triage would be very easy to do.
This is UNBELIEVABLE!
That is also my concern.
SHOULD this reach pandemic levels, triage would certainly be necessary, but there are those who would try to use the FEAR of pandemic to impose a very dangerous agenda.
Mexico City is VERY DENSELY POPULATED and large portions of it are totally unsanitary to start with. In light of this, the number of flu cases there is extremely low and it is very possible that the majority of the deaths were of people who received medical care which would be considered substandard by American standards. Everything I've read about swine flu indicates that it IS treatable.
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