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McCain facing 2010 primary
Politico ^ | Ben Smith

Posted on 04/21/2009 9:25:25 AM PDT by Hawk720

Social conservatives tolerated John McCain as the party's nominee, but never trusted him, and he now appears to be facing a serious primary from the right in Arizona next year.

Chris Simcox, the founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps and a prominent figure in the anti-immigration movement, is announcing today he's resigned from the group to run in the 2010 Senate primary.

From a forthcoming release:

"John McCain has failed miserably in his duty to secure this nation's borders and protect the people of Arizona from the escalating violence and lawlessness," Simcox said. "He has fought real efforts over the years at every turn, opting to hold our nation's border security hostage to his amnesty schemes. Coupled with his votes for reckless bailout spending and big government solutions to our nation's problems, John McCain is out of touch with everyday Arizonans. Enough is enough."

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
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To: FourtySeven
But seriously, WHY can’t there be a candidate without baggage?

Because that's the type of people drawn to politics?

141 posted on 04/22/2009 3:37:10 PM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: AuntB

Did you see Carl Cameron’s report on Simcox a few minutes ago, said not to confuse his minuteman group with the one that is always in the news, his is the one that observes and reports only...


142 posted on 04/22/2009 4:58:40 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: FourtySeven

Carl Cameron said he tried to join the border patrol after 911 and was turned down because he was “too old” that is when he formed the minuteman project... also said not to confuse him with the other minuteman group that is in trouble all the time.


143 posted on 04/22/2009 5:00:11 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

“also said not to confuse him with the other minuteman group that is in trouble all the time.”

In trouble over what? What trouble? Internal squabbling? Simcox is the master at that. Both he and Gilchrist did a fantastic job disclosing the problem of the border. Both have ego’s ten miles wide.

First, everyone, Simcox formed MCDC. Jim Gilchrist formed the Minute Men. They combined for a while, until the organizations became a mess within, as they always do.


144 posted on 04/22/2009 5:19:24 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; rabscuttle385; chicagolady; fieldmarshaldj; Arizona Carolyn; darkangel82
Simcox is unlikely to beat McCain in the primary, but McCain REALLY does need to take the hint and retire. In any other country, he would have announced he was "stepping down" from the government the moment his party failed to win with him on top of the ticket -- EVEN if they had gained seats on his coat tails (which the Republican certainly didn't do in 2008 -- but notice how the leader of the British conservatives and NZ conservatives retired from parliment when they 'came up short', even though they did far better than McCain) Bob Dole set the example in 1996 when he announced he was resigning from the Senate due to the party nominating him for President. It's a shame no Senator since then has followed his lead. We desperately need term limits in this country because politicians don't know how to ride off into the sunset gracefully. McCain will be 80 if he serves out another six year term, and almost certainly be a past-his-prime former "leader" of the party in a Senate controlled by Dems, and therefore won't chair any committees. Now... given those circumstances... Honestly, WHAT does he hope to accomplish in the next six years that he hasn't done in the first 28?? We need to write McCain and ask him that question. He needs to be encouraged to "rethink" his retirement plans.

J.D. Hayworth is not going to challenge McCain in the primary. In fact, Hayworth endorsed McCain for President in both the 2000 and 2008 primaries. It seems sometimes that I'm the only freeper who noticed that, since his name is continually floated as a potential McCain challenger. Ain't gonna happen.

Endorse Simcox? If I had to choose between the two of them, I'd probably vote for him over McCain, but not until I know where he stands on other issues besides immigration. Any candidate I support will have to be at least as good or superior to McCain on key issues like right to life, traditional families, cutting government waste (one of the few areas where McCain is pretty solid, IMO), lower taxes, gun rights, and of coruse, the WOT -- I certainly won't back any surrender monkey's like the alleged "true conservative" from SC who wanted to sing kumbaya with terrorists. My guess is that Simcox is pretty solid on these issues, but my rule is thumb is always verify first. In any case, the drive-by media will villify Simcox as a hate-filled nut and portray him as a single issue candidate, so it's unlikely he's the one who can take out McCain.

I do think it's somewhat hypocritical of freepers to blast the MoveOn.org crowd in 2006 for "turning on their own party's presidential ticket nominee" and ousting LIEberman in the RAT primary, if we're willing to do the same to McCain in 2010 (though I admit there's a big difference as McCain has never been liked/trusted by conservatives, whereas liberals were happy with LIEberman for years, until he didn't do their bidding on the war issue)

145 posted on 04/22/2009 5:39:06 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy; Arizona Carolyn
Simcox is unlikely to beat McCain in the primary, but McCain REALLY does need to take the hint and retire.  Arizona Carolyn, one other person here, and I discussed this late last year, if I remember the time frame correctly.  The consensus on their part was that McCain would be getting votes from both parties, thus a very difficult task of taking him down by an alternate Republican.  They know their state better than I do, but I'll be damned if I'll give up on this without a fight.  Simcox will get serious money from me.  I'll travel to the state and go door to door if that will help.  There isn't another political figure in this nation that has done more to defeat Conservatism over the last twelve years, than John McCain.  The lefties tried, but they weren't able to do it from within.  John was, and he utilized that advantage every chance he got.  God damn him.

In any other country, he would have announced he was "stepping down" from the government the moment his party failed to win with him on top of the ticket -- EVEN if they had gained seats on his coat tails (which the Republican certainly didn't do in 2008 -- but notice how the leader of the British conservatives and NZ conservatives retired from parliment when they 'came up short', even though they did far better than McCain) Bob Dole set the example in 1996 when he announced he was resigning from the Senate due to the party nominating him for President. It's a shame no Senator since then has followed his lead. We desperately need term limits in this country because politicians don't know how to ride off into the sunset gracefully. McCain will be 80 if he serves out another six year term, and almost certainly be a past-his-prime former "leader" of the party in a Senate controlled by Dems, and therefore won't chair any committees. Now... given those circumstances... Honestly, WHAT does he hope to accomplish in the next six years that he hasn't done in the first 28?? We need to write McCain and ask him that question. He needs to be encouraged to "rethink" his retirement plans.  The only answer is that John plans on continuing his efforts to destroy Conservatism from within the Republican Party.  Democrats may read this and get excited, thinking McCain would defeat us.  But the truth is, John in all his selfishness, is helping to take this nation down.  He runs cover for Obama's plans constantly.  He support closing Gitmo.  He supported Obama's carbon plans, or something close to it.  He voiced support for the cuts in procurement for our military.  John is a traitor to Conservatism.  And folks, you can read that as a traitor to our nation, when you realize what his support of Obama's policies will ultimately lead to.  The ballot box is the place to take John down, and the spring of 2010 looms large.

J.D. Hayworth is not going to challenge McCain in the primary. In fact, Hayworth endorsed McCain for President in both the 2000 and 2008 primaries. It seems sometimes that I'm the only freeper who noticed that, since his name is continually floated as a potential McCain challenger. Ain't gonna happen.  I have appreciated J.D. Hayworth at times.  I find his support of John McCain to be disgusting.  That being said, I think he would be far better than McCain in Washington, D.C.  Still, if he's going to support McCain, then he's damaged goods in my book.

Endorse Simcox? If I had to choose between the two of them, I'd probably vote for him over McCain, but not until I know where he stands on other issues besides immigration. Any candidate I support will have to be at least as good or superior to McCain on key issues like right to life, traditional families, cutting government waste (one of the few areas where McCain is pretty solid, IMO), lower taxes, gun rights, and of coruse, the WOT -- I certainly won't back any surrender monkey's like the alleged "true conservative" from SC who wanted to sing kumbaya with terrorists. My guess is that Simcox is pretty solid on these issues, but my rule is thumb is always verify first. In any case, the drive-by media will villify Simcox as a hate-filled nut and portray him as a single issue candidate, so it's unlikely he's the one who can take out McCain.  I don't know everything there is to know about Simcox, but I do know quite a bit about McCain, and Simcox would have to work awfully hard full time to be as big a turncoat as McCain.  I've studied McCain, and I don't need to study Simcox much to know he's a damned site better than that bitch McCain.  And yeah, I mean John.  On the border alone, something that is being used to take our nation down, Simcox got it right.  Seriously, that's all I need to know.

I do think it's somewhat hypocritical of freepers to blast the MoveOn.org crowd in 2006 for "turning on their own party's presidential ticket nominee" and ousting LIEberman in the RAT primary, if we're willing to do the same to McCain in 2010 (though I admit there's a big difference as McCain has never been liked/trusted by conservatives, whereas liberals were happy with LIEberman for years, until he didn't do their bidding on the war issue)  Frankly I don't give a fig what MoveOn.Org did/does with regard to Lieberman.  When it comes to John McCain, there's just one topic on my mind, and that's working my ass off to get him defeated in the primaries of 2010.  There isn't a side issue important enough to move me off that goal.  John has been in Washington, D.C. since around 1982.  He was a Congressman first and now a Senator.  Twenty-eight years is a lot of seniority.  Even if Simcox was bad in some areas, as a freshman he would not be in a position to do near the harm McCain can and does.

In 2010, my first three operative words are, Adios John McCain.

For those who think there could be something worse than McCain out there, I would remind you that John has at one time or another been on every side of every issue.  He talks a good game, then betrays you.  If I and others get our way, the only person he'll have a chance to betray after November 2010, is Cindy.  I wouldn't wish that on her, but I don't wish it on the nation either, and it comes first.

146 posted on 04/22/2009 7:16:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: Ben Mugged
As much as I dislike John McCain as a politician. I have to say that Simcox is worse.

I am a card-carrying Arizona Minuteman who was on the border from day-one. But Simcox is as crooked as the Rio Grand River.

He will be taken down by his own -- mark my words.

147 posted on 04/22/2009 9:35:31 PM PDT by grayeagle (Ronald Reagan -- the President of my lifetime.)
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To: FourtySeven

Yes, he definitely has been married twice before, and his second wife filed court petitions for full custody of their son because he was acting so erratically and was dangerous.

The Southern Povery Law Center (which hates him, of course), posted a bunch of legal documents about him on their website a long time ago. Disregard the article - it’s all their biased crap. But the documents are court documents.

http://www.splcenter.org/news/item.jsp?sid=27


148 posted on 04/24/2009 12:50:20 PM PDT by Hawk720
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