Posted on 04/17/2009 12:02:27 AM PDT by A Navy Vet
Okay, you guys did good. I'm surprised about the turnout. I had my doubts and I was proven wrong. I applaud all of you for standing tall.
So now where do we from here? Do you/we continue to be out-raged and hold more TEA Partys without direction? Should we build upon the movement with lots of signs and demonstrations that the Obama, Reid, Pelosi triad ignores, or do we look at ways to effort real change?
1. Term Limits! Read your Constitution regarding Amendments.
2. Reduced Congressional sessions. The less time in Congress, the less damage they can do.
3. A Constitutional Amendment or US Code change that requires ALL Fedgov legislation adhere to the original intent of the Founding Fathers, including their personal correspondance;
4. Sunset clauses in all legislation, except for military funding and other Constitutional essentials. The very few mandates by the Fedgov.
I can go on, but the above is a start, especially a TERM LIMIT Amendment. The Founding Fathers, in their wisdom, never meant for politicians to be lifelong politicians. Their concept was to serve for a couple of terms and go home. I suggest (2) terms for Senators and (4) terms for House representatives. I would prefer less, but the above is reasonable.
The TEA Partys were a good start. Now we need to focus on how to change the DC mechanism. WE NEED TO FOCUS ON IDEAS!
More parties, perhaps on a rotating location basis and month by month. We need to be clear that the kind of taxing we detest is not just the kind that the IRS does.
Very good, thank you....
OK everyone...(dumb question maybe...)...has anyone heard anything, yea or nay about an organization called wemustlead.com ??
Here is a crazy idea:
How about a fourth level of checks and balances?
Citizens that pay taxes could allocate where their tax dollars go by choosing from the wonderful projects that our elected officials have in mind. Good local projects would gain the funds they need from those local and some not local, while stupid ideas would fall by the wayside.
You could even do a hybrid model where our elected officials get to spend 20% of our dollars and we get to direct the rest (left wing nuts jobs and right wing radicals).
I makes sense to me...ideas?
Your suggestions are good, but they all depend on Congress. We can’t depend on Congress. We have to come together to find a solution that WE THE PEOPLE have control over. Maybe it’s forming another political party. I’m hoping that some new blood, new leadership will arise out of the tea parties.
Maybe a convention of tea party participants and citizens with the same concerns??? Maybe start with local conventions and eventually a national convention.
The fight of our lives will be over the illegals and socialized health care. If BO gets the illegals voting rights it’s all over and no going back. We conservatives will never be more than a footnote as they ram through every left wing marxist idea BO could ever dream of.
Socialized medicine will be a death sentence for many that we know and love.
I hope we don’t get tea partied out before this comes. I think BO won’t wait long. I’m thinking he believes he has until 2010 to get it done.
While I am impressed with the turnout yesterday, we need a single unifying message to make any sort of change. The protests felt good, but the obami/reid/pelosi triad will ignore them and continue on their quest for socialist equality. It's a given.
You guys know it, and I know it. This movement needs a unifying purpose. While many states are looking to past resolutions about their 10th Amendment sovereignty rights, they are only resolutions and have no standing in law.
However, if this new movement could coalesce around a unifying purpose (States' Rights LAWS, Term Limits, etc.) than there may be a chance.
You guys know how this works. General feel good stuff doesn't get it done. We tried it with Clinton. We need more than way cool demonstrations. The politicians just don't care.
All we have to do is what we did today. The members in Congress will think two times maybe three before they vote because more than anything they want to be re-elected.
I ABSOLUTELY agree!
One of the main reasons the ‘slogan’...taxation without representation...worked, is because we are NOT being heard.
Best way to MAKE THEM LISTEN is to ‘hit em where it hurts’.... threaten and then do what ever it would take to get a change in TERM LIMITS.
NO MORE career politicians!!!
I’m betting that the obomba team is absolutely amazed that they have already done as much as they have with only scattered peaceful protest. In fact I think the reason they put out a warning about right wing extremest is to prep the ground for what they are going to do next. Look at what they are doing with the census, illegal immigrants and the tax code; with the help of republicans no less. The conservative movement has been reduced to minority who’s leaders are radio show host that are more interested in making money then leading any meaningful movement. Just my crazy opinion.
Actually, yes and no.
According to Article V, "The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem in necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Consitution , OR, on the Application of the Legislature of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Constitutional convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, ...
Bottom line: The States can call for Amendments without Congress approval. Unfortunately, it seems the States must call for a Constitutional Convention. That could be a very bad thing, knowing how our Country is leaning leftist.
However, I'm willing to risk it for Term Limits. We did it for the Presidency in Amendment XXII with no other ramifications. We can do it for limited Terms of Congress.
Now that the initial Tea Parties are over and were obviously a HUGE success, the tough part lies ahead. We - ALL OF US, EACH AND EVERY ONE - have to keep the momentum going.
And there's going to be battle with the media. We can't allow them to spin this movement as just anti-tax, and certainly not just a group of Republicans bitter about the presidential election.
It has to be made clear to the media, and everyone else for that matter, that it's also about The Constitution, The Republic our Founding Fathers gave to us, states rights, and that everyday AMERICANS are united and will not tolerate a socialist state!
There are more Tea Parties planned, the next national one to be on the the 4th.
FReeper DARCPRYNCE caem up with this and I think it's a great idea.
We need to turn the 4th of July into a national day of protest against socialism. No more celebrating liberty until we've regained it!
On this thread he posted a link to a FANTASTIC YouTube video on the Tea Parties he put together. Check it out for more ideas.
prisoner6
I truly hope you're right. I don't believe it so any longer. The obami,reid,pelosi triad just don't care. They have their socialist agenda which has long been their goals. They have THE power; the Republicans have turned into wusses who won't filibuster; and too many Americans just want stuff.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but I've been a political activist for over a decade and now seeing it is all for naught. The USA is dying because of the corrupt political machine. I stated some peaceful objectives above. If they don't come to fruition, than what is the recourse?
Don't answer. God forbid that the obami DHS peg you or I as "extremists" because we believe in our Constitutional heritage.
Keep on voting for the lay down, roll over, play dead, turn coat, globalists, throw elections, R plantation owners.
Sorry Rush you're down to 98.9 on this one.
"I didn't leave the democrat republican party, they left me." ~ RWR ~
Whoa! We've got probably a couple hundred people culling through everything that they can read, left and right, to find the issues that will resonate. No one, NO ONE, has come up with anything close to that. It rings my bell and I'm going to shoot it out tomorrow and see if it gets the response that I think it will.
Maybe i'm misunderstanding your meaning or your misunderstanding mine. I wasn't calling for a Constitutional Convention, but a convention of concerned citizens to discuss how to parlay our tea parties into a bigger more powerful movement.
With due respect, the MSM is going to continue to spin to their liking and make the so-called down-trodden feel dis-enfranchised. That's what they do and will do until they eventually die (which is happening).
As I watched TEA Party coverage on Fox, the only person who had a real clue about the under-lying purpose was Glen Beck. It's unfortunate that such a wise man comes off as a silly clown on his show. He is doing our cause a small dis-service with his antics. But better him than nothing. At least he knows and promotes the Founding Fathers' principles.
prisoner6
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