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Navy snipers had multiple chances to shoot Somali pirates (Obama waits until Captain nearly killed)
LA Times ^ | 4/13/2009 | Julian E. Barnes and Greg Miller

Posted on 04/13/2009 6:07:49 PM PDT by tobyhill

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To: tobyhill

Presidential micromanagement of warfighters seems to be a deeply rooted Democrat trait. This is how Johnson botched the Vietnam War and ensured the unnecessary deaths of tens of thousands of America’s best.


41 posted on 04/13/2009 7:15:55 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: tobyhill

“...the world’s most powerful navy...”

The exact words used to describe our air force, so that the F22 could more easily be ash canned.

It’s nothing but propaganda 24/7/365 at Pravda on the Pacific.


42 posted on 04/13/2009 7:16:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: manc
Exactly.

He waited 2.5 days to give the order to shoot when he could have ordered a Navy Seal team or a special ops team in the first few hours to be flown to the scene within few hours and kill the pirates right there, the 4 ragtag pirates who were already defeated by an unarmed civilian crew. I never doubted for a second that our brave Navy Seals could not resolve the problem successfully once they are ordered to do so. The success was a given because of the incredible professionalism of our military.

The very dangerous thing that came out form this is how the more dangerous enemies such as Al Qaeda, Taliban, Iran, North Korea, etc... view us. These enemies have witnessed how a very weak President forced the mightiest Navy in history to wait 5 days before taking over 3 ragtag pirates on a tiny boat in the middle of the Indian Ocean. An event like this has greatly emboldened them and because of this they are going to cause us a lot of harm.

43 posted on 04/13/2009 7:19:20 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: fso301

That is where my money is as well and why ZERO’s WH was caught off guard by the shooting. The Navy had an opportunity and took it.

Micromanaging is just like LBJ.


44 posted on 04/13/2009 7:21:43 PM PDT by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER! Mary Fallin for OK Governor in 2010! Vote Gary for OK GOP Chair)
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To: tobyhill

I don’t want to click on a link to the LA Slimes.

Does the writer for this propagandist rag happen to mention that “the world’s most powerful navy” only fought with this “ragtag band of pirates” as a result of that “ragtag band of pirates’” continual theft, kidnapping, and extortion?


45 posted on 04/13/2009 7:22:01 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If you haven't read "The Creature from Jekyll Island," you probably don't know what's going on.)
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To: manc
He is p,laying it both ways if the capt had died he would have blamed the navy...

You are right on this, manc.

47 posted on 04/13/2009 7:22:36 PM PDT by GOPJ (Iraq trip: Obama should have bowed to the troops - not to King Abdullah.)
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To: tobyhill

The situation was resolved successfully. Kvetching about it looks petty in the eyes of people who don’t have an ideological axe to grind. Obama didn’t perform the rescue himself, but it happened on his watch, and he deserves a measure of credit, just as the ultimate responsibility would have been his if it had failed. Trying spin this as anything other than a success is counterproductive and ultimately won’t work. Time to move on to other issues. JMHO.


48 posted on 04/13/2009 7:23:45 PM PDT by kms61
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To: jveritas

How can anyone on this board defend ZERO is what I would like to know including “give the man a chance” — ZERO is a liar, Chicago Thug, and IMHO one of the Muslims that Rev Wright talked about that his church gave cover.


49 posted on 04/13/2009 7:24:08 PM PDT by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER! Mary Fallin for OK Governor in 2010! Vote Gary for OK GOP Chair)
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To: SonOfPyrodex

What does this mean?


50 posted on 04/13/2009 7:24:14 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: Candor7
What do you think, is this how the pirates work and think?

The Islamic pirates of Somali and northern Kenya are taking advantage of the fact that they think the “Islamic” Obama is on their side and will do nothing to stop them from achieving great victory for Islam over the rich Americans and then getting billions of dollars from America for the poor of Somalia and Kenya. (maybe)

More likely: I really think it is about the money more than religion but I can't help but wonder if there is more to the story because we all know that blood is thicker than water.

Odinga Obama, Obama’s cousin, is head of the Luo Tribe, the Islamic tribe that came down from Somaliland and holds much of northern Kenya. Most of the pirates belong to the Luo Tribe. Most Kenyans consider Obama an “African Islamic”, a native” of Kenyan and a Luo. We know the Luo tribe was receiving updates about the standoff between the Islamic Pirates and out ship. Was the information being passed on to Obama’s via his cousin Odinga Obama?

51 posted on 04/13/2009 7:24:24 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: jveritas

could not agree more with you

and add this to the 5 day delay we had when Russia invaded Georgia and then the idiot calls for Georgia to show restraint for crying out loud

I bet bozo thought Georgia was the GA here and had to look on a map when it happened as his European intellect is zero
This buffoon thought Austrian was a language, course no media calling him on that unlike if Sarah said it

scary times and you can bet that our enemies were watching very closely


52 posted on 04/13/2009 7:26:11 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick queer sham--- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: PhiKapMom

There were some who defended him and called us unrealistic for showing that he really messed this thing up where the whole crisis could have been solved in the first day if he bothered to order the military to finish the job. NOw the truth comes out as usual and we know that were right about him.


53 posted on 04/13/2009 7:26:21 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: kms61

It was micromanaged. He dithered. It turned out well because it was a very small and easily contained crisis. That’s the message that more savvy enemies will pick up. Heaven help us when the next more complex crises arise.


54 posted on 04/13/2009 7:26:37 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Cicero

“Otherwise they could have intervened when the Captain jumped overboard the first time.”

Agreed. Prob’ly the most accurate interpretation of events. Can’t think of a story more poorly reported, nay, mangled, in writings by media people. Best I can say of the coverage is that it may be a reflection of the convoluted ‘information’ from ‘mulling’ sources at the very pinnacle of the chain of command. In spite of it, though, good job Bainbridge and Seals.


55 posted on 04/13/2009 7:26:51 PM PDT by corvus
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To: PhiKapMom
Please check post # 48 for this type of freepers that we mentioned.
56 posted on 04/13/2009 7:27:32 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: jveritas

I was gone for a few days while this was going down or I would have been right with you guys!


57 posted on 04/13/2009 7:27:41 PM PDT by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER! Mary Fallin for OK Governor in 2010! Vote Gary for OK GOP Chair)
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To: tobyhill

So maybe I don’t have quite the understanding I need for this story but these Navy Seals must be something else(well I already knew that) but taking everything you need on land to be a good sniper and then adding in the motion of the ocean(their were on a liferaft right?) those shots must have been something for the record books.


58 posted on 04/13/2009 7:30:21 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: manc

Yes I did not mention how emboldened Russia and China are now.In my opinion both the pro-Western governments of Georgia and Ukraine will be overthrown by the Russia allies in both countries and if necessary the Russian military will interfere to assure the success of the coup d’etat in both countries. The Russian will not even consider Obama when doing this. They know that he is the weakest President ever and he will do nothing about it.


59 posted on 04/13/2009 7:31:37 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: tobyhill
Obama dragged the FBI in so that the "criminals" would be charged and tried as such in Judge Judy's court here in the states.

I hope that captive guy was Miranda-ized.

Now I heard today that the FBI is scrambling to find evidence enough to convict him. They have to investigate and dig up proofs in Somali, Kenya, Bongo Bongo or Mugadishyou or wherever.

Lots of luck, FBI agents. Please don't go near any huge boiling pots of water you stumble on in the jungle.

Leni

60 posted on 04/13/2009 7:32:23 PM PDT by MinuteGal (FR Regional Convention 4/25 Orlando....Florida, Alabama, Georgia & Carolinas Freepers Invited!)
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